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by E.J. Peiker on Thu Jan 15, 2004 10:39 am
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Paul Skoczylas wrote: Are right-click scripts really worthwhile?
Personally I think they just add code and don't add much security - as you said, it takes a fraction of a second to get around that.
 

by Geo on Thu Jan 15, 2004 10:45 am
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by Chris Ober on Thu Jan 15, 2004 10:56 am
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Yes, he is registered on http://www.photomigrations.com but his last visit date was August 2003. In no way does photomigrations advocate his actions.

Anthony Medici wrote:Dave Ewers is registered on Photo Migration. He has an interesting post about copyright over there. He has never posted an image from what I see.

(He lists Photo Migration first in his links. It was a simply matter to search for his name and see what he has posted.)
 

by DC on Thu Jan 15, 2004 11:07 am
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FWIW, there are programs out there that you put in a URL and it goes off and downloads all the pics it can find to your hard disk. You don't even need to visit the site in a browser.

I'm not sure if it works for all of them, but in the last update to my site, I changed the extension of our jpg's and now the troll I tried can't find them :)
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by Anthony Medici on Thu Jan 15, 2004 11:08 am
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Chris Ober wrote:Yes, he is registered on http://www.photomigrations.com but his last visit date was August 2003. In no way does photomigrations advocate his actions.
Hi Chris. I didn't mean or even imply that Photo Migrations would. I have no doubt that if this thread had been posted over there, you would have pursued this just as hotly as it's being pursued over here. When I tried the search on the second site listed, Nature Photographers Network, the search timed out otherwise I probably would have found some old posts there too.

BTW, welcome Chris. Please feel free to visit as often as you like. :)
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by Dan Baumbach on Thu Jan 15, 2004 11:13 am
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Jill wrote:I have, once again, been able to access the website readily at
http://www.avianphotography.net/Gallery.html
and see Greg's Great Egret above the word Birds.
Jill, when you get to the page hit the refresh button in your browser. I'm wondering if the page is in your cache on your local machine.

FWIW, I haven't been able to access any of the site since late last night.
Good work, Greg. When I hit the refresh button on my browser I couldn't access his site.

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by Paul Skoczylas on Thu Jan 15, 2004 11:14 am
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Anthony Medici wrote:When I tried the search on the second site listed, Nature Photographers Network, the search timed out otherwise I probably would have found some old posts there too.
Funny, the first I tried searching for him on NPN I gave up waiting after a bit. But then I refined my search parameters (I forget how), and quickly came up with a number of posts from Mr. Ewers. However, there too, he has not posted since July, 2003...

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by Heather Forcier on Thu Jan 15, 2004 11:18 am
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Paul, the devices employed on our websites are simple code, and yes there are easy work arounds for someone motivated. But it does sometimes deter the casual surfer, we have already seen it work.

To add to that I have been including copyright text on my images and putting them up at low size/resolution, hopefully an additional deterent.

Chris, welcome to NatureScapes.Net. I'm sure no one believes Photomigrations had anything to do with this, I think the point was just that the photographer was registered at PM and more information might be found there about him.
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by Chas on Thu Jan 15, 2004 11:55 am
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Rich, I agree wholeheartedly. He is smart enough to use a copyright to try to protect his own images yet...

Greg, this is why I post - a copyright notice, including watermark within my image, and the statement recently modified to read "Unauthorized use or reproduction for any reason is prohibited". Viewers have to be dumb as a rock to not understand this, as it leaves no room for ambiguity. It is not that others do not want or take this as serious, but rather they worry too much about the viewers complaining it interferes with the image. A while back in a past life I received much commotion about placing a large easily seen watermark in my imagery. It is still there in every image I post, but the opacity has been lowered. However, it might be raised once again. My images are posted so that others may gain knowledge from them, not the image itself. If they cannot see past the watermark so be it.

A right click disable, with a copyright message pop-up maybe easy to get around, but it does send yet another message. I would like to see such implemented on all Forum sites.

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by Heather Forcier on Thu Jan 15, 2004 12:52 pm
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I have seen the copyright notices on images posted in our forums and (so far) none have been too distracting to see past in order to appreciate and evaluate the image. I encourage people to consider putting their copyright on their images.

I suspect the photographer that used the four images would have been less likely to do so had other people's names been on them. Of course, it can be edited off, but that's a big deal in the copyright world.
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by Maxis Gamez on Thu Jan 15, 2004 1:47 pm
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I don't know how can people do this. :evil:
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by Neil Fitzgerald on Thu Jan 15, 2004 4:56 pm
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Jill, you could try ctrl+F5 to refresh the page and see what you get.
 

by BrianS on Thu Jan 15, 2004 7:11 pm
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Paul Skoczylas wrote:
Heather Forcier wrote:There had to be a "right click of the mouse" (or equivalent) somewhere in the process.
Speaking of right-clicks, I notice a lot of people, inlcuding you and Greg, have scripts blocking the right-click functionality. Do people find these work?

I've never seen one of these scripts that I couldn't get around in about 10 seconds, so they really won't prevent anyone from actually copying your material. I guess they do tell the person doing the copying that it is illegal, so it might "educate" some ignorant people.

Are right-click scripts really worthwhile?

(Oh, and Greg/Heather--I see your script checks for IExplorer or Netscape--what will it do for other browsers?)

-Paul
Although I employ such scripts I do know that within a minute you can get around it and pull any image from the site.
I have some elaborate approaches to protecting images utilizing php and a DB but in the end it is a simple function of the OS that will allow anyone to grab what they see in the browser. There is nothing to prevent someone from maximizing the browser, composing the site on the screen and hitting Alt+PrtSc then pasting into PS or PSP and cropping the surroundings. The only thing I have seen to really deter this type of theft is to splash a translucent embossed copyright across a vital part of the image. Given it is embossed using the image as the texture you can see through the copyright so as not to pollute the original image too much -- still not a great alternative.
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by Greg Downing on Thu Jan 15, 2004 7:59 pm
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E.J. Peiker wrote:
Paul Skoczylas wrote: Are right-click scripts really worthwhile?
Personally I think they just add code and don't add much security - as you said, it takes a fraction of a second to get around that.
Well, a fraction of a second is a little bit of an exaggeration (I'm convinced that's an engineer thing ;) ) but, if you know how to get around it, it is pretty easy.

That being said, if an image is lifted with this protection in place it absolutely proves malicious intent beyond any reasonable doubt. It's like locking the screen door or not locking the screen door. If someone walks through an unlocked screen door it's not necessary breaking and entering, but if the door is locked it's pretty easy to cut the screen, but it then becomes a different ball of wax.

Frankly the people that steal images on the web rarely, if ever, make any profit off of them. They can't sell prints or original digital files from a 600 pixel wide image. While it may make us feel violated it really does no real harm to us, nor does it take business away from us, or cost us money. Naturally it does make us feel violated, which is normal.

While it does tick me off to some extent, I prefer to keep things in perspective and not add undue stress to my already chaotic life. I have much bigger fish to fry!
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by Michael Brown on Thu Jan 15, 2004 8:41 pm
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There is a ever increasing number of individuals who can lift a small jpg image and create a painting from it. I learned this from a agency here in town and from the law enforcment division.

I can take a image such as Greg's shot that was lifted off of his site, paint over it with wonderful detail using various software I now have on hand, and do this in a 30MB file size.
Print it out and it looks awesome!

There are those that realize that many would prefer to buy a painting of something rather than a photograph.
Lifting of images will get worse as more individuals do this type of artwork for various projects, from church pamphlets to art shows!!
I have already seen a shot of the city of Columbia as a small jpg, and someone copied a small portion of that jpg and made a painting of it, thus making it there own at a 15MB file size.
Looked darn good too, .................. but it did cost this individual plenty who did this!
There will be quite a few doing this with landscapes especially, and trying to sell to certain clients/agencys.

It just will not get easier for us it seems!!

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by Chas on Thu Jan 15, 2004 9:25 pm
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Greg Downing wrote:
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Paul Skoczylas wrote: Are right-click scripts really worthwhile?
Personally I think they just add code and don't add much security - as you said, it takes a fraction of a second to get around that.
Well, a fraction of a second is a little bit of an exaggeration (I'm convinced that's an engineer thing ;) ) but, if you know how to get around it, it is pretty easy.

That being said, if an image is lifted with this protection in place it absolutely proves malicious intent beyond any reasonable doubt. It's like locking the screen door or not locking the screen door. If someone walks through an unlocked screen door it's not necessary breaking and entering, but if the door is locked it's pretty easy to cut the screen, but it then becomes a different ball of wax.

Frankly the people that steal images on the web rarely, if ever, make any profit off of them. They can't sell prints or original digital files from a 600 pixel wide image. While it may make us feel violated it really does no real harm to us, nor does it take business away from us, or cost us money. Naturally it does make us feel violated, which is normal.

While it does tick me off to some extent, I prefer to keep things in perspective and not add undue stress to my already chaotic life. I have much bigger fish to fry!
Greg, I can make and send you a 4x6 postcard from your web image if you wish that will knock your socks off. I do agree the greatest loss does not come from direct sales of images pilfered. It is the loss of income gained when your image is used to advertise another site, and they make a profit from selling images, services or product other than yours. Directly or indirectly, the potential loss is unacceptable. I am not picking on you or NSN specifically; I am just saying this is becoming more rampant throughout the web and whatever we can do collectively to stifle it we should. As you state, and I mentioned previously the inclusion of right click disable w/ copyright infringement pop-up serves to further educate and litigate offenders. You can easily choose to go through a STOP sign, but you know the consequences if you are caught. I do not think this can be implemented in a forum script such as this, as I believe we tried to do so in a past life, but I welcome your thoughts and suggestions.

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by Dan Baumbach on Thu Jan 15, 2004 9:41 pm
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Does anyone know where I can get a right-click script?

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by BrianS on Thu Jan 15, 2004 10:10 pm
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Dan Baumbach wrote:Does anyone know where I can get a right-click script?

- Dan.
Here is a real simple one -- copy the code below into a file called disable.js then place the disable.js on your site and to the HTML file add the following somewhere within the <body></body> tag

<!-- Disable right mouse click Script --->
<SCRIPT SRC="disable.js"></SCRIPT>

The disable.js script:

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var message="All images Copyright © Your Name Here. Please contact for information concerning use.";

function click(e) {
	if (document.all)  {
		if (event.button == 2) {
			alert(message);
			return false;
		}
	}
	
	if (document.layers) {
		if (e.which == 3) {
			alert(message);
			return false;
		}
	}
}

if (document.layers) {
	document.captureEvents(Event.MOUSEDOWN);
}

document.onmousedown=click;
Hope this helps -- there are much more elaborate approaches so this is only a starting point.
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by Chris Ober on Thu Jan 15, 2004 10:26 pm
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Thanks Anthony and Heather.

I wasn't trying to imply that anyone would be implying that i was implying anything... oh you know what I mean .... :)
 

by Heather Forcier on Thu Jan 15, 2004 10:34 pm
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Yep! No worries. :D
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