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by ricardo00 on Sat Aug 25, 2018 3:06 pm
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George DeCamp wrote: I am interested in this lens as well. I would prefer the 600f 5.6 but who knows when that will show up. Grrrrr... 
  Also for sure would have preferred a 600mm f/5.6 but I am not getting any younger and it might take several more years for Nikon to get around to making that lens, they seem to have quite a bit on their plate at the moment (a whole set of new lenses for their mirror less cameras and even making memory cards!).
 

by Gary Irwin on Sat Aug 25, 2018 3:51 pm
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ricardo00 wrote:
George DeCamp wrote: I am interested in this lens as well. I would prefer the 600f 5.6 but who knows when that will show up. Grrrrr... 
  Also for sure would have preferred a 600mm f/5.6 but I am not getting any younger and it might take several more years for Nikon to get around to making that lens, they seem to have quite a bit on their plate at the moment (a whole set of new lenses for their mirror less cameras and even making memory cards!).
LOL You Guys must be reading my mind. I'd much rather have the 600PF too, but as they say life is short and death is long so I'm warming up to the idea of the 500PF. In fact I just put my 300PF up for sale -- it was great for butterflies n'such but it was always too short for birds even with the TC14EIII. The 500E or 180-400E would be sweet, but since the 'Z' fiasco there's no way I'm giving Nikon uber dollars for a soon to be antiquated f-mount lens. Besides, I already own the 600E. Which I love. But it's a beast. So the 500PF may very well end up in my camera bag.
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by DChan on Sat Aug 25, 2018 4:19 pm
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How "small and light" will a 600 f5.6 be?? Anyone?

You're getting older and likely out of shape. How big and heavy a lens can you handle?
 

by Gary Irwin on Sat Aug 25, 2018 4:33 pm
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DChan wrote:How "small and light" will a 600 f5.6 be?? Anyone?

You're getting older and likely out of shape. How big and heavy a lens can you handle?
No idea...so far Nikon's 600PF only exists in patent form as far as we know but there's a big range between the 500PF's 3.2 lbs and my 600E's 8.4 lbs, so it's reasonable to assume a 600PF will be somewhere in between. 
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by George DeCamp on Sat Aug 25, 2018 8:39 pm
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DChan wrote:You're getting older and likely out of shape. How big and heavy a lens can you handle?
Hey who are you calling outta shape...why I oughta..... lol

Speaking for myself I carry around the 600VR about 4 mornings a week, tripod, wimberley head II, leveling head, a converter and a bottle of water! :D

Whatever it will weigh it will be able to be hand held for me so that's a very significant change in weight. I'll probably start with the new 500f 5.6 and see how it goes before too long. 
 

by DChan on Sun Aug 26, 2018 1:14 am
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George DeCamp wrote:
DChan wrote:You're getting older and likely out of shape. How big and heavy a lens can you handle?
Hey who are you calling outta shape...why I oughta..... lol

Speaking for myself I carry around the 600VR about 4 mornings a week, tripod, wimberley head II, leveling head, a converter and a bottle of water! :D
Oooops !   :oops:

Good for you George ! :D 

I did meet a guy in his seventies carrying as much as you do. Just hope I could do the same when I get there.
 

by George DeCamp on Sun Aug 26, 2018 6:21 am
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Hahaha! Almost there myself but a couple more years!
 

by Anthony Medici on Sun Aug 26, 2018 10:13 am
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DChan wrote:How "small and light" will a 600 f5.6 be?? Anyone?
If the 600 PF cut the weight of the 600 E as much as the 500 PF cut the weight of the 500 E, it would weigh about 64 oz or 4 lbs. It would also make it only 2/3 lbs heavier than the 500 PF .
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by E.J. Peiker on Sun Aug 26, 2018 8:47 pm
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Anthony Medici wrote:
DChan wrote:How "small and light" will a 600 f5.6 be?? Anyone?
If the 600 PF cut the weight of the 600 E as much as the 500 PF cut the weight of the 500 E, it would weigh about 64 oz or 4 lbs. It would also make it only 2/3 lbs heavier than the 500 PF .
Bring it on :)
 

by ricardo00 on Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:58 am
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Tim Zurowski wrote:Agree BIG TIME on the 600 f5.6! No idea (again) what Nikon was thinking. Everyone has different opinions and needs, but I for one cannot understand why anyone would pay 3x the cost for the new 500 f5.6 over the Nikon 200-500. I doubt the Nikon PF will be any sharper. I have the 300 PF and it is not sharper than my 200-500 and possibly even less sharp. Plus you get the advantage of the usefulness of a zoom. The only reasons I see for getting the 500 PF over the zoom might be weight, size and faster AF. But those features would have to be worth paying 3x the cost for. I can only assume the AF will be snappier with the new 500 over the 200-500. Now if it was a 600 f5.6 I would be all over it in a heartbeat. :)  I can only hope Nikon reads these threads.
  Well Nikon may have been thinking it can sell lots of the 500mm f/5.6 before bringing out the 600mm f/5.6!

https://nikonrumors.com/2018/08/28/niko ... mber.aspx/
 

by rene on Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:47 pm
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I use Sony A9-A7R3 and Nikon D850. I have a Sony 400F2.8 on pre order but I’m now more tempted in the 500mm as it it lighter , more compact , substantially cheaper and gives me a bit more reach. I wonder how it compares optically versus the 400 Sony.
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by david fletcher on Tue Aug 28, 2018 1:02 pm
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rene wrote:I use Sony A9-A7R3 and Nikon D850. I have a Sony 400F2.8 on pre order but I’m now more tempted in the 500mm as it it lighter , more compact , substantially cheaper and gives me a bit more reach. I wonder how it compares optically versus the 400 Sony.
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Rene, the MTF graphs are already available for both lenses.  From what I've seen, they just do different jobs and you can only decide on what your priorities are.

Me, it's so such a straightforward option.   400 2.8 at £10,000.  9 times out of 10 I'll want to shoot at F8.   

                                                              500 F5.6 at £3,600.  9 times out of 10 i'll still want to shoot at F8. 
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by rene on Tue Aug 28, 2018 1:43 pm
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rene wrote:I use Sony A9-A7R3 and Nikon D850. I have a Sony 400F2.8 on pre order but I’m now more tempted in the 500mm as it it lighter , more compact , substantially cheaper and gives me a bit more reach. I wonder how it compares optically versus the 400 Sony.
Rene

Rene, the MTF graphs are already available for both lenses.  From what I've seen, they just do different jobs and you can only decide on what your priorities are.

Me, it's so such a straightforward option.   400 2.8 at £10,000.  9 times out of 10 I'll want to shoot at F8.   

                                                              500 F5.6 at £3,600.  9 times out of 10 i'll still want to shoot at F8. 
I totally agree! I never shoot wide open anyway and kind of made up my mind for the Nikon
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by Gary Irwin on Tue Aug 28, 2018 4:22 pm
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rene wrote:I use Sony A9-A7R3 and Nikon D850. I have a Sony 400F2.8 on pre order but I’m now more tempted in the 500mm as it it lighter , more compact , substantially cheaper and gives me a bit more reach. I wonder how it compares optically versus the 400 Sony.
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I would expect the Sony would beat the Nikon at f2.8 and f4.0  :wink:  and very likely at f5.6. The one thing we learned from the Lenscore folks -- when they used to test lenses -- is that larger diameter objectives/optical trains tend to yield more resolving power and better overall scores, and I would expect the same thing here.
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by Anthony Medici on Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:01 pm
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Gary Irwin wrote:

I would expect the Sony would beat the Nikon at f2.8 and f4.0  :wink:  and very likely at f5.6. The one thing we learned from the Lenscore folks -- when they used to test lenses -- is that larger diameter objectives/optical trains tend to yield more resolving power and better overall scores, and I would expect the same thing here.
And I would expect that the Nikon F2.8E would meet or exceed the Sony F2.8 and Nikon 500 PF at those apertures also. I also would expect to pay a lot more than US $3600 for the privilege. And neither would include the additional 100mm focal length.
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by E.J. Peiker on Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:50 pm
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If the MTF curves are an accurate representation of actual performance, you won't be able to tell a difference at f/8 between a 500/4 and this 500/5.6 or probably even a 400/2.8+1.4x when shot at f/8.  Even at f/5.6 it is not likely to be all that material. These lenses are so close to perfect optically even wide open, again according to the MTF curves, that image quality isn't really a differentiator, it's more whether or not you are OK giving up a stop of light and background blurring capability for a big reduction in weight and size.  Also, with a 1.4x, will the AF performance still be there since the new 500PF becomes an f/8 optic...
 

by George DeCamp on Wed Aug 29, 2018 6:36 am
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Steve Perry did a quick video of the initial specs review of the lens

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRdyfKZVSuc

Steve does a nice job, IMHO.
 

by Scott Fairbairn on Fri Aug 31, 2018 9:50 am
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I bet this lens will be in short supply for some time.
 

by George DeCamp on Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:08 pm
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Scott Fairbairn wrote:I bet this lens will be in short supply for some time.
No doubt! I actually ordered one through NPS so will keep you posted here when I get it. 
 

by SantaFeJoe on Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:00 am
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