Here's why I'll probably stick with the 10D

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One thing is speed, features and built quality, another is image quality. Do you think that 10D compares to 1D and can still keep up little bit with 1DII?

Fero

IMHO the 10D blows away the 1D in image quality in all shooting regimes and it is better than the 1Ds at ISOs above 200. Only time will tell on the 1D MkII but I would expect it to be better than the 10D due to a newer image processor and improved noise.

Have I missed anything?

- 100% viewfinder coverage
- interchangeable focusing screens
- better battery life

Canon made a point of mentioning new microlens technology which covers a greater % of the imaging cells. My guess is that image quality will not be a problem.

Thanks EJ! I will stick with my 10D for a while. Once I thought about buying a 1D but the image quality is the most important for me. The buffer in 10D is small and I missed some good shots, but I will rather invest to a better lens.

Fero

I'm with you Fero. I just got my 10D and am really enjoying it. So far no problems or concerns. I would like to have a full frame sensor camera for those wide angle shots, but the price for that is unreachable for me now.

TSparger wrote:. . . I would like to have a full frame sensor camera for those wide angle shots, but the price for that is unreachable for me now.

It's actually far less than you might guess (maybe $800 for the body, $1,200 for the body with high-speed motor drive), as long as you shoot film! Heck, for wide angle scenics, you don't even need the high-speed drive.

Actually Cliff, if you are shooting film, you can get the full size sensor for a lot less than $800. I am still holding on to my Elan 7 for the time being.

Cliff Beittel wrote:

TSparger wrote:. . . I would like to have a full frame sensor camera for those wide angle shots, but the price for that is unreachable for me now.

It's actually far less than you might guess (maybe $800 for the body, $1,200 for the body with high-speed motor drive), as long as you shoot film! Heck, for wide angle scenics, you don't even need the high-speed drive.

Plus about $.37 per image...

TSparger wrote:Actually Cliff, if you are shooting film, you can get the full size sensor for a lot less than $800. I am still holding on to my Elan 7 for the time being.

Isn't film what they used in the 20th century?

Price is still my major factor, and as I am still working my 10D most out of it so it is staying. If I ever had that amount of money, I would rather get a new CF tripod and 600mm f/4 first. By the time I got the money for a Mk.2, it would be priced as the original 1D at current level. Unless I win a big lottery, this pirority stays.

Humm, is 1.6x crop factor really an advantage to birding? Considering we need to retain AF all the time, so with a little math:

10D + 500mm f/4 + 1.4x -> 1120mm equiv.
1D/Mk.2 + 500mm f/4 + 2x -> 1300mm equiv.

10D + 600mm f/4 + 1.4x -> 1344mm equiv
1D/Mk.2 + 600mm f/4 + 2x -> 1560mm equiv

Unless if the next Canon 1.6x crop body could retain AF at f/8 (which is quite unlikely I am afraid), the 1D/Mk.2 still has an edge, not to mention other like AF and buffer advantages.

BTW, it seems that 1D Mk.2 still uses the old battery as 1D, any word about its battery life?


Griffin.

Battery life is going to be much better due to the lower power consumption of the sensor. As far as your comparison there are a few advantages to sticking with the 1.4x; sharpness and all sensors active.

That being said, not all bird photography is about maximum focal length. When using the 10D I find my self backing up with the 600 A LOT. Frankly I do not want a 960mm prime lens much of the time....

Greg Downing wrote:That being said, not all bird photography is about maximum focal length. When using the 10D I find my self backing up with the 600 A LOT. Frankly I do not want a 960mm prime lens much of the time....

Well, either the birds are more shy in this part of the world, or more likely my approach technique is far from polished, I tend to seize (yep, that is the proper term ) as many focal-length as possible.

A word about battery "advantage". 10D (and the upcoming series I guess) employs BP-511 which is backed by a number of 3rd party battery manufacturers. I just retrie 2 of my old Canon ones (they have suffered 2+ years of mistreatment, anyway) with two 1500mAh one from Giko. I am not aware if there is any 3rd party ones for 1D/Mk.2.


Griffin.

Interesting dialog on an interesting camera.

I'm a diehard film user, not necessarily because I prefer shooting film but because up to this point I haven't seen a DSLR that looked like it would perform as well as my EOS-3. The 1D looked good, but was a little expensive and doesn't have some of the functions newer DSLRs take for granted. The 1Ds looks very good, but is far too costly and has an awfully slow motor drive. The D30/60/10D has a 1.6x sensor and doesn't AF at f/8, so I wouldn't consider them.

This new camera, though... I am thinking hard about it. I've said all along I want a 8-9MP camera with a full frame sensor, a good FPS speed, and the other things I'm used to with the EOS-3 (fast AF, AF at f/8, solid construction).

The 1.3x crop of the 1D-II is a turn-off, but since I started shooting large format, my 35mm photography has been limited in large measure to long lens shooting, anyway. So I'm not sure how much of a hindrance that actually will be. I'll be thinking about it long and hard, and watching the price carefully. Who knows, this may be the year I begin shooting digital again (I started shooting in 1999 with a digital P&S).

Just another view from a film user who is tempted by the new toy.

Brian - motor drive??? You truly are a film shooter still

I wonder how long it will be before Canon makes a camera that can match the speed, performance, and build quality of the EOS 3 for under $1000. Until then I'm sticking with film!
Matt H

mhp767 wrote:I wonder how long it will be before Canon makes a camera that can match the speed, performance, and build quality of the EOS 3 for under $1000. Until then I'm sticking with film!
Matt H

You will most likely be waiting a very long time...

E.J. Peiker wrote:Brian - motor drive??? You truly are a film shooter still

LOL