Here's why I'll probably stick with the 10D

While some folks are lamenting the 1.3x on the 1DII because it's not full frame, for the traveling wildlife photographer the 1.6x is a blessing:

LENS (mm)1.3X 1.4X 1.6X 1.4TC/1.3X1.4TC/1.6X
300 390 420 480 546 672
400 520 560 640 728 896
500 650 700 800 910 1120
600 780 840 960 1092 1344

I would love a smaller, lighter, cheaper 500mm f/4!

I'd like a lighter and less expensive 500/4, too, BUT it has to be as sharp and the AF has to work as well.

I agree with you on keeping the 10D. I have no major problems with the 10D and so far, I haven't seen a reason to spend $2500 -$3000. I'd buy a 300/2.8 instead.

jn

The only thing I find lacking in the 10D is AF performance in low light/contrast situations-The 1D is light years better in these situations. I also wish the camera had a higher sync speed!

While many folks will want to hold onto their 10D's, and will be quite happy with them, for me there is no comparison whatsoever if this camera performs as expected. The 1.3 magnification is a non-issue with me and, in fact, I think it's a better compromise than the 1.6 but then again I have the 600 and am often found with too much focal length.

There are a lot of things lacking in the 10D that will be offered in the new camera (and Rocky, they are far from limited to only AF performance ):

Here is a list just off the top of me head:

• -MORE PIXELS!
  -Faster shutter lag.
  -Larger buffer size (I am often stuck with a full buffer using the 10D, missing important shots).
  -Much better AF performance.
  -AF at F8 minimum aperture.
  -Increased frame rate.
  -Better control of ISO (third stops as compared to full stops).
  -Greater range of shutter speeds and ISOs.
  -1/3 stop faster flash sync speed.
  -45 AF sensors.
  -Heavier build, pro body with sealed components and connections.

Have I missed anything?

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Geo, that was first on my list. You must have had one too many dark beers.

Greg Downing wrote:Have I missed anything?

Price!

-Paul

Greg Downing wrote:While many folks will want to hold onto their 10D's, and will be quite happy with them, for me there is no comparison whatsoever if this camera performs as expected. The 1.3 magnification is a non-issue with me and, in fact, I think it's a better compromise than the 1.6 but then again I have the 600 and am often found with too much focal length.

There are a lot of things lacking in the 10D that will be offered in the new camera (and Rocky, they are far from limited to only AF performance ):

Here is a list just off the top of me head:

• -MORE PIXELS!
  -Faster shutter lag.
  -Larger buffer size (I am often stuck with a full buffer using the 10D, missing important shots).
  -Much better AF performance.
  -Increased frame rate
  -Better control of ISO (third stops as compared to full stops)
  -1/3 stop faster flash sync speed.
  -45 AF sensors.
  -Heavier build, pro body with sealed components and connections.

Have I missed anything?

Yes, I think. Canon historically improves the line upward and downward. Eventually many of these improvements will be found in the mid-range DSLRs. Note, for example, that the 1DII will have a Digic processor, inspired by the 10D.

Incidentally, it was a leap of faith when I went from a 1V-HS to the D30 and its progeny. I miss all of the things you mentioned! I do, however, actually like the smaller footprint and note that the build quality of the 10D surpasses its predecessors. My suspicion is that ultimately there will be four or five distinct DSLRs just as in the film line:

1V -- 1Ds
3 -- 1D II
Elan 7 -- 10D
Rebel -- Digital Rebel

This, of course, is not quite the story as the 10D's build quality is better than its film cousin and there still could be an actual Digital counterpart for the EOS 3.

Paul Skoczylas wrote:

Greg Downing wrote:Have I missed anything?

Price!

-Paul

I'll be upgrading my 1D to a better camera for half the price I paid for it. I can't complain about that.

What I can complain about is that I sold it for nearly a third of what I paid for it.

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Greg Downing wrote:I'll be upgrading my 1D to a better camera for half the price I paid for it. I can't complain about that.

But you were comparing to the 10D!

Dick--you say the 10D has better build quality than the Elan 7? In hwat way--I've found my Elan 7 to be very nice in build quality. (Except that I want to have a "discussion" with whoever it was at Canon who decided that the BP-300 has to come off the camera to change out the batteries. Does the BG-? for the 10D rectify this problem?)

-Paul

Paul Skoczylas wrote:

Greg Downing wrote:I'll be upgrading my 1D to a better camera for half the price I paid for it. I can't complain about that.

But you were comparing to the 10D!

Dick--you say the 10D has better build quality than the Elan 7? In hwat way--I've found my Elan 7 to be very nice in build quality. (Except that I want to have a "discussion" with whoever it was at Canon who decided that the BP-300 has to come off the camera to change out the batteries. Does the BG-? for the 10D rectify this problem?)

-Paul

And, as I have outlined above, there really is no comparison so comparing price between these two models is like comparing the price of Mercedes to a Geo. :roll:

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Greg Downing wrote:And, as I have outlined above, there really is no comparison so comparing price between these two models is like comparing the price of Mercedes to a Geo. :roll:

I was being somewhat facetious! But you can't say how much better the Mercedes is in terms of engine power, comfort, cornering, acceleration, etc., without saying how much more it costs than the Geo.

Clearly the cameras have different markets! Regardless of how much better the 1DII is, I'm going to have enough trouble convincing my CFO (wife) to let me buy a 10D this summer... A 1DII is simply out of the question!

-Paul

I know, they are two completely different animals which was really my original point. Fortunately, I am my own CFO.

Geo, you didn't know you had a car named after you? It's pretty slow....

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LOL, I think they stopped making them a few years ago, but this came up in a google search:

http://www.cardomain.com/member_pages/s ... odel=Metro

Paul Skoczylas wrote:

Greg Downing wrote:I'll be upgrading my 1D to a better camera for half the price I paid for it. I can't complain about that.

But you were comparing to the 10D!

Dick--you say the 10D has better build quality than the Elan 7? In hwat way--I've found my Elan 7 to be very nice in build quality. (Except that I want to have a "discussion" with whoever it was at Canon who decided that the BP-300 has to come off the camera to change out the batteries. Does the BG-? for the 10D rectify this problem?)

-Paul

The 10D, for example, has a metal frame. The build quality internallhy is far superior to its predecessors, too. My guess is that Canon intends to use this body style for quite some time.

Paul Skoczylas wrote:

Greg Downing wrote:And, as I have outlined above, there really is no comparison so comparing price between these two models is like comparing the price of Mercedes to a Geo. :roll:

I was being somewhat facetious! But you can't say how much better the Mercedes is in terms of engine power, comfort, cornering, acceleration, etc., without saying how much more it costs than the Geo.

Clearly the cameras have different markets! Regardless of how much better the 1DII is, I'm going to have enough trouble convincing my CFO (wife) to let me buy a 10D this summer... A 1DII is simply out of the question!

-Paul

Paul, I hate to say this. I've driven both Mercedes cars and Geos...and the old Geo Metro could fly (of course, it weighed less than a motorcycle)!.

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