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by Wildflower-nut on Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:59 pm
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I've used my 5dsR mainly for scenics.  Now that I have two 5D4 I find that my inclination is to take them and leave the the sR behind.  Thoughts?
 

by E.J. Peiker on Sun Jun 11, 2017 1:47 pm
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Depends on whether you value megapixels more than dynamic range or the reverse. Or you could get an a7R Mk II and get better dynamic range than either and nearly as many pixels as the 5DSR and then get either a Sigma MC-11 or Metabones and use your Canon lenses on the Sony.
 

by Neilyb on Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:18 am
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Knowing the 5D4 and the IQ I do not see the need for a 5DsR unless I need a detail monster (and it is a detail monster) but needing double exposures for a high DR scene puts me off, my PC would struggle enough with the RAW's. As I do not require nearly double the pixel count I am very happy having 30MP images which can compete up to ISO12,800 with my 1Dx very confidently. I rarely use the 1Dx anymore. It is a great all rounder and with the 16-35 f4 I have a very competent landscape body.

I agree with E.J that for overall landscape shooting the A7rII is the one, I just could not justify having a separate body for landscapes any longer and the 5D4 covered both landscape and wildlife nicely.
 

by Mike in O on Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:22 pm
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There doesn't seem to be much love for the 5drs...I think Canon will kick it up a notch with II. Computer chips have really improved in all the modern cameras (sensors slowly) which will be needed for any kind of speed with a 50+ camera of the future. I think sensors because of video are being held back needlessly.
 

by E.J. Peiker on Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:59 pm
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Mike in O wrote:
There doesn't seem to be much love for the 5drs...I think Canon will kick it up a notch with II.  Computer chips have really improved in all the modern cameras (sensors slowly) which will be needed for any kind of speed with a 50+ camera of the future.  I think sensors because of video are being held back needlessly.

Two fundamental problems with the 5DsR and 5Ds sensors and they are related - the worst dynamic range of any DSLR on the market, significant noise and pattern noise at relatively modest ISO.  The sensor is made on what is now over 10 year old semiconductor process technology.  As long as you don't need dynamic range and can shoot at or near ISO 100 all the time, it is fine.  Otherwise you may need to exposure stack most landscape shots to get clean enough shadows.  The resolution of the sensor is without question very good although one can make the case that the Sony 42mp sensor can deliver the same resolution given the right conditions and techniques.  As of today, and this is likely to change in the next year, if you want high quality pixels in the 50mp or higher regime, you have to look at cameras with larger sensor sizes.  The 5DS files remind me very much of the original FF EOS 1Ds files in how you have to treat them in post...
 

by Wildflower-nut on Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:49 pm
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Neilyb wrote:
Knowing the 5D4 and the IQ I do not see the need for a 5DsR unless I need a detail monster (and it is a detail monster) but needing double exposures for a high DR scene puts me off, my PC would struggle enough with the RAW's. As I do not require nearly double the pixel count I am very happy having 30MP images which can compete up to ISO12,800 with my 1Dx very confidently. I rarely use the 1Dx anymore. It is a great all rounder and with the 16-35 f4 I have a very competent landscape body.

I agree with E.J that for overall landscape shooting the A7rII is the one, I just could not justify having a separate body for landscapes any longer and the 5D4 covered both landscape and wildlife nicely.

I think we all agree that the sony is better but I'm reluctant to get into metabones and a separate body.  I've got a 24x36 picture with the old 1dsm2 that I could not believe the detail in and the 5d4 is almost twice that.  The 1dsR II is about a year out I'm thinking.  Some speculate it will "up the ante" from 50mpx but I'd rather they give us more dynamic range and iso.  There has to be a limit where you move on to a medium format if you "need" big mpx and I think we are there.  Thanks for the input.
 

by prairiewing on Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:26 am
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I've carried a 5Dsr and A7rII on almost every shoot for some time now and like them both. In high contrast situations I'll reach for the Sony most of the time but I like shooting on overcast days and usually prefer the Canon in those situations. I've shot the 5DIV, like it and am still tempted to buy it but all I do is print and I'm not ready to give up all those pixels.
That said, I think the 5DIV is likely the best all around body for most uses. I think it's the best all around full frame body out there right now and I've shot with just about all of them. YMMV
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by Mike in O on Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:31 am
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prairiewing wrote:
I've carried a 5Dsr and A7rII on almost every shoot  for some time now and like them both.  In high contrast situations I'll reach for the Sony most of the time but I like shooting on overcast days and usually prefer the Canon in those situations.  I've shot the 5DIV, like it and am still tempted to buy it but all I do is print and I'm not ready to give up all those pixels.
That said, I think the 5DIV is likely the best all around body for most uses.  I think it's the best all around full frame body out there right now and I've shot with just about all of them.  YMMV


You have used the 99II? :D
 

by prairiewing on Wed Jun 14, 2017 11:40 am
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Mike in O wrote:
prairiewing wrote:
I've carried a 5Dsr and A7rII on almost every shoot  for some time now and like them both.  In high contrast situations I'll reach for the Sony most of the time but I like shooting on overcast days and usually prefer the Canon in those situations.  I've shot the 5DIV, like it and am still tempted to buy it but all I do is print and I'm not ready to give up all those pixels.
That said, I think the 5DIV is likely the best all around body for most uses.  I think it's the best all around full frame body out there right now and I've shot with just about all of them.  YMMV


You have used the 99II? :D



No I haven't Mike.  It looks great and I actually considered getting one but despite some claims to the contrary it looked like it might be a dead end system so I passed on it.  If you're implying that it might be the best all around full frame out there I wouldn't argue with you, in fact I wouldn't argue with anyone who claims something else is better.  A body is, of course, just one component of a system and I agree with the premise that buying a body is like going on a date, buying lenses is like marriage or at least living together--a much longer term commitment.
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by PopeShawnPaul on Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:40 pm
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I'm really torn right now. I've been married to Canon for 20+ years but have considered switching for the first time. Their sensor technology is so far behind Sony and Nikon it's discouraging. The 5Dsr I've considered but it has serious limitations. The 5D4 looks decent but Nikon (810) has had a better camera than it for years as EJ has pointed out. I sold my 5D3 and haven't replaced it, just shooting with my 7D2 but I can see it's problems and I like to blow stuff up big and do landscapes. I've thought about a Pentax 645Z for landscape and shorter stuff, and Canon with my long lenses but the thought of two systems sounds awful, Yet I like to make big blowups 30" or more. I've thought about just biting the bullet and getting a 5D4 and toughing it out but with no end in sight to the technology issue, I've thought about jumping ship. Canon is lucky it makes good lenses. I shoot birds, wildlife, and landscapes.

So I find it funny the OP is thinking of jumping from the 5Dsr because I was giving that camera a thought and was maybe going to live with it's lower DR and noise. I wish the 5D4 was the camera we all hoped it would be... So confused! :)
 

by E.J. Peiker on Thu Jun 15, 2017 1:02 am
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PopeShawnPaul wrote:
I'm really torn right now.  I've been married to Canon for 20+ years but have considered switching for the first time.  Their sensor technology is so far behind Sony and Nikon it's discouraging.  The 5Dsr I've considered but it has serious limitations.  The 5D4 looks decent but Nikon (810) has had a better camera than it for years as EJ has pointed out.  I sold my 5D3 and haven't replaced it, just shooting with my 7D2 but I can see it's problems and I like to blow stuff up big and do landscapes.  I've thought about a Pentax 645Z for landscape and shorter stuff, and Canon with my long lenses but the thought of two systems sounds awful, Yet I like to make big blowups 30" or more.  I've thought about just biting the bullet and getting a 5D4 and toughing it out but with no end in sight to the technology issue, I've thought about jumping ship.  Canon is lucky it makes good lenses.  I shoot birds, wildlife, and landscapes.

So I find it funny the OP is thinking of jumping from the 5Dsr because I was giving that camera a thought and was maybe going to live with it's lower DR and noise.  I wish the 5D4 was the camera we all hoped it would be...  So confused!  :)

If you have considered the Pentax 645Z most definitely check into the Fuji GFX!!!
 

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