Canon introduces 400DO2, 24mm pancake, G7x, more...

In addition to the 7D Mk II already being discussed in another thread theres the following:

400mm f/4 DO Mk II
EF-S 24mm f/2.8 pancacke lens
EF 24-105 f/3.5-5.6 STM consumer grade kit lens
G7x with a 1" 20mp sensor (similar to what Sony uses in the RX1-00 and RX10)
SX60 tiny sensor camera allowing an equivalent focal length range of 21mm to 1365mm

...and a 24-105 STM lens... which is a bit odd, 24-105 is a great range on full format sensors but none of those can best utilize the STM focus, which is meant for smooth video focus on the dual pixel cameras...

http://www.canonrumors.com/2014/09/offi ... -6-is-stm/

..and did we really need a 400 DO instead of a 100-400 replacement (yes people who need a 400 DO will flame me but there are alot more photographers wanting the zoom!! :p )?

The 24-105 is in the list above

As for STM, there's always the EOS 1C, C100, C300... etc

Thought those Cinema cameras had their own lens range?

Neilyb wrote:Thought those Cinema cameras had their own lens range?

Nope EOS mount.

Actually, if the 400 DO is sharp enough, it would be quite attractive, for me at least. Half the price and weight of the 200-400 and perhaps just as good at 400mm and with a TC.

OTOH, it would really have been great if Canon had released a new version of the 100-400. Sigh.........

Pradeep

I read the announcement and it says nothing about the optical formula indicating that it is likely the same lens as before but with the added features that they did talk about, namely updating to the newest IS module and power focus for film makers.  I would think if it did have an updated optical formula, they would be really emphasizing that.

E.J. Peiker wrote:I read the announcement and it says nothing about the optical formula indicating that it is likely the same lens as before but with the added features that they did talk about, namely updating to the newest IS module and power focus for film makers.  I would think if it did have an updated optical formula, they would be really emphasizing that.

Not to mention tickling the pric up... which I personally think is the whole reason for an update.

While the optical formula seem to the same, the DO-element is a new design. Also newly designed aspherical and UD glass in there. I liked the old one, so I am getting one for sure. Perfect for pelagic birding.

Pretty disappointing on the lens front. Like many I hoped for a re-worked 100-400mm, 400mm/5.6, 300mm/4 or even the 180mm macro.

I really liked the original 400DO until I tried the new 300/2.8! In good light the DO holds up very well even with the 1.4x II but once it becomes overcast the contrast takes a huge and for me a fatal hit. This cannot be "recovered" in post-processing. Hopefully this has been addressed although the new DO is only marginally more expensive that the original (at least in the USA). Improve the contrast and it would make a viable alternative to the heavier 300/2.8 + 1.4x which costs about the same. Again it seems a strange decision for Canon to focus on this focal length when the f/5.6 version is crying out for a major upgrade. Is a new DO more proftable than a new 400/5.6 given that the latter will sell many fold more? Come to think of it, now that the 7DII can focus at f/8 there is even more reason for a re-worked 400/5.6.

Cheers,

Jim

WE.J. Peiker wrote:I read the announcement and it says nothing about the optical formula indicating that it is likely the same lens as before but with the added features that they did talk about, namely updating to the newest IS module and power focus for film makers.  I would think if it did have an updated optical formula, they would be really emphasizing that.

It appears the optical formula has been changed quite a bit. It'll be interesting to see if it performs as it should for the price point. 

Scott Fairbairn wrote:

WE.J. Peiker wrote:I read the announcement and it says nothing about the optical formula indicating that it is likely the same lens as before but with the added features that they did talk about, namely updating to the newest IS module and power focus for film makers.  I would think if it did have an updated optical formula, they would be really emphasizing that.

It appears the optical formula has been changed quite a bit. It'll be interesting to see if it performs as it should for the price point. 

Surprised the original press release didn't say that.  Lets hope they got the specular bagels worked out.  If so, this could be a great lens although at $7K, very expensive.  You could get a good use 500mm f/4L for a similar price and that lens is no slouch!

You could get a good use[ed] 500mm f/4L for a similar price

I paid only $5400 for my 500/4 (Mark I), used, but in mint condition (and that was over four years ago!).

$7K for the new 400 DO is outrageous.  But, then again, so is $6800 for a 1DX, so I guess it's consistent with Canon's current pricing policy.

Note: I'm editing this post, because I just realized you must have meant the Mark II.

John

No I actually meant Mk 1, didn't realize how low the prices have dropped.

hullyjr wrote:Pretty disappointing on the lens front. Like many I hoped for a re-worked 100-400mm, 400mm/5.6, 300mm/4 or even the 180mm macro.

Cheers,
Jim

My sentiments exactly.

E.J. Peiker wrote:

Scott Fairbairn wrote:

WE.J. Peiker wrote:I read the announcement and it says nothing about the optical formula indicating that it is likely the same lens as before but with the added features that they did talk about, namely updating to the newest IS module and power focus for film makers.  I would think if it did have an updated optical formula, they would be really emphasizing that.

It appears the optical formula has been changed quite a bit. It'll be interesting to see if it performs as it should for the price point. 

Surprised the original press release didn't say that.  Lets hope they got the specular bagels worked out.  If so, this could be a great lens although at $7K, very expensive.  You could get a good use 500mm f/4L for a similar price and that lens is no slouch!

But the whole point of the DO is less weight and heft with (hopefully) the same performance. And the 400 2.8 now costs $10,500.  

The 400 DO has never been in the same class of the 400/2.8 for image quality. Yes the point is smaller and lighter but not with the same "performance" - not even close to the same performance. Now if the new version fixes then large disparity between the 400/2.8 and even the 400/5.6 and the DO lens, then it will be popular. But I think if it did, Canon would be shouting that from the rooftops

E.J. Peiker wrote:The 400 DO has never been in the same class of the 400/2.8 for image quality.  Yes the point is smaller and lighter but not with the same "performance" - not even close to the same performance.  Now if the new version fixes then large disparity between the 400/2.8 and even the 400/5.6 and the DO lens, then it will be popular.  But I think if it did, Canon would be shouting that from the rooftops

EJ, I agree, the two lenses cannot be compared except in their focal length though I've met a few people who were quite happy with the old DO lens. I am hoping that the new one is better than the 100-400 is at the long end. If so, it would be enough for me, at least until they come up with a really sharp new 100-400. 

Fortunately there is a good market for used Canon glass if it is well cared for   

Pradeep

Looking at the specs:
EF 300mmf2.8 V2 weighs 2,350 grams. Toss in a 1.4x and you get 2,575 grams. Minimum focus 6.6 feet Price = $6,599 plus TC(probably everyone has it anyway)
new 400mmDO weighs 2,100 grams , Minimum focus 10.8 feet. Price $6,899.

So about a pound less, for more money, much longer minimum focus distance, and less image quality. I still think that lens should sell for a lot less money than the 300mmf2.8.
Scott

Scott Fairbairn wrote:Looking at the specs:
EF 300mmf2.8 V2 weighs 2,350 grams. Toss in a 1.4x and you get  2,575 grams.  Minimum focus 6.6 feet Price = $6,599 plus TC(probably everyone has it anyway)
new 400mmDO weighs 2,100 grams , Minimum focus 10.8 feet. Price $6,899.

So about a pound less, for more money, much longer minimum focus distance, and less image quality. I still think that lens should sell for a lot less money than the 300mmf2.8.
Scott

Scott, when you put it like that, it does not seem to be that big an advantage. 

However, FWIW, Bryan Carnathan over at the-digital-picture has the MTF charts on the new lens, comparing it with the older one. Even with the 2X TC on it, the new lens looks better than the older model. If this is true, then it will be worth thinking about.

Pradeep