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by Scott Fairbairn on Wed Jun 22, 2022 12:07 pm
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by Anthony Medici on Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:13 am
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It hasn't been "officially" announced by Nikon. It simply looks like Nikon released the people with access to the pre-production model to say that they have had access to a pre-production model. So, we have no price yet and some of the specs aren't known yet.
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by Scott Fairbairn on Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:47 am
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It hasn't been "officially" announced by Nikon. It simply looks like Nikon released the people with access to the pre-production model to say that they have had access to a pre-production model. So, we have no price yet and some of the specs aren't known yet.


Yes, it's kind of a weird product launch in some ways. I saw all the hands-on reviews, so I assumed it was now official. It's been a few days now, and still no word; I'm guessing they will do the "official" launch and announce the rumoured APC camera simultaneously?
It's an interesting lens; I'm not sure what it's targeting? DSLR users with the 500PF to entice them over to mirrorless? Otherwise, I'd stick with the 100-400. 
 

by SantaFeJoe on Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:51 am
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........It's an interesting lens; I'm not sure what it's targeting? DSLR users with the 500PF to entice them over to mirrorless? Otherwise, I'd stick with the 100-400. 


I’d guess that this lens will be far lighter than the 100-400. Although not as much difference as between the 200-500 f 5.6 f mount and the 500 f5.6 pf, I’m sure it will be lighter and handle far better than the 100-400. It wouldn’t interest me at all to change over from the 500 pf to a shorter lens on a MIL. I’d rather just use the FTZ ll adapter with the 500 pf. From what I hear, it works pretty well.

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by ricardo00 on Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:56 am
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........It's an interesting lens; I'm not sure what it's targeting? DSLR users with the 500PF to entice them over to mirrorless? Otherwise, I'd stick with the 100-400. 


I’d guess that this lens will be far lighter than the 100-400. Although not as much difference as between the 200-500 f 5.6 f mount and the 500 f5.6 pf, I’m sure it will be lighter and handle far better than the 100-400. It wouldn’t interest me at all to change over from the 500 pf to a shorter lens on a MIL. I’d rather just use the FTZ ll adapter with the 500 pf. From what I hear, it works pretty well.

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  The weight is supposed to be 1,250g (according to Nikon rumors) versus 1,435g for the 100-400mm, so I wouldn't consider this "far lighter".  Of course this assumes that the rumored weight is correct and both weights include hood and feet.
  The 400mm is faster and presumably focuses faster.  So not sure it is worth getting the 400mm if one has the 500mm PF though people say that the Z lenses work better on the mirrorless cameras.  The 500mm PF works fine on the Z9 in my hands but maybe the 400mm is better, especially if one adds a TC?  It is a question I am struggling with, whether to buy the 400mm or not.  I bought the 100-400mm and returned it, just couldn't see when I would use it since I only have one mirrorless camera and would prefer the longer lens on that.  In fact, I almost always use my 500mm with a TC on the Z9.  What I "need" is the 800mm or the 200-600mm.  But not sure how long it will take to get my order filled.
 

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Scott Fairbairn wrote:
Anthony Medici wrote:
It hasn't been "officially" announced by Nikon. It simply looks like Nikon released the people with access to the pre-production model to say that they have had access to a pre-production model. So, we have no price yet and some of the specs aren't known yet.


Yes, it's kind of a weird product launch in some ways. I saw all the hands-on reviews, so I assumed it was now official. It's been a few days now, and still no word; I'm guessing they will do the "official" launch and announce the rumoured APC camera simultaneously?
It's an interesting lens; I'm not sure what it's targeting? DSLR users with the 500PF to entice them over to mirrorless? Otherwise, I'd stick with the 100-400. 


Scott, I believe it was you who in a previous post was hoping for a 600mm F5.6 down the line from Nikon. I continue to be in the same boat as you but, at least at this point, it doesn't appear to be a likelihood.
 

by david fletcher on Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:47 am
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Official announcement now.  1,245 grams.  $3,249.99 available from July.


The Z30 showed up too.  Marketed for vloggers by the look of it.  
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by SantaFeJoe on Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:23 pm
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by Scott Fairbairn on Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:42 pm
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An interesting lens, and if I didn't own the 100-400, I'd pick it up.
 

by david fletcher on Thu Jun 30, 2022 2:16 am
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Scott Fairbairn wrote:
An interesting lens, and if I didn't own the 100-400, I'd pick it up.


Me too Scott.  My 100-400 took 8 months to arrive and I like the versatility of the zoom so its a keeper...., Next is the longer reach lens to compliment.   (I'm still waiting on the 1.4 extender which is due sometime in July).
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by Scott Fairbairn on Thu Jun 30, 2022 2:31 pm
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An interesting lens, and if I didn't own the 100-400, I'd pick it up.


Me too Scott.  My 100-400 took 8 months to arrive and I like the versatility of the zoom so its a keeper...., Next is the longer reach lens to compliment.   (I'm still waiting on the 1.4 extender which is due sometime in July).




The 100-400 works pretty well with the 1.4x.
 

by david fletcher on Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:58 am
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Scott Fairbairn wrote:
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Scott Fairbairn wrote:
An interesting lens, and if I didn't own the 100-400, I'd pick it up.


Me too Scott.  My 100-400 took 8 months to arrive and I like the versatility of the zoom so its a keeper...., Next is the longer reach lens to compliment.   (I'm still waiting on the 1.4 extender which is due sometime in July).




The 100-400 works pretty well with the 1.4x.



Thanks Scott.  Am looking forward to it.
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by ricardo00 on Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:35 pm
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david fletcher wrote:
Scott Fairbairn wrote:
david fletcher wrote:
Scott Fairbairn wrote:
An interesting lens, and if I didn't own the 100-400, I'd pick it up.


Me too Scott.  My 100-400 took 8 months to arrive and I like the versatility of the zoom so its a keeper...., Next is the longer reach lens to compliment.   (I'm still waiting on the 1.4 extender which is due sometime in July).




The 100-400 works pretty well with the 1.4x.



Thanks Scott.  Am looking forward to it.


  Personally, I was not impressed with how my 1.4TC worked on the 100-400mm lens.  Maybe it is me or my copies of the lens/TC, but thouht the 500mm PF was much better to use then the combo of the zoom and TC
 

by david fletcher on Sat Jul 02, 2022 3:28 am
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ricardo00 wrote:
david fletcher wrote:
Scott Fairbairn wrote:
david fletcher wrote:
Scott Fairbairn wrote:
An interesting lens, and if I didn't own the 100-400, I'd pick it up.


Me too Scott.  My 100-400 took 8 months to arrive and I like the versatility of the zoom so its a keeper...., Next is the longer reach lens to compliment.   (I'm still waiting on the 1.4 extender which is due sometime in July).




The 100-400 works pretty well with the 1.4x.



Thanks Scott.  Am looking forward to it.


  Personally, I was not impressed with how my 1.4TC worked on the 100-400mm lens.  Maybe it is me or my copies of the lens/TC, but thouht the 500mm PF was much better to use then the combo of the zoom and TC


Thanks for that feedback Ricardo.  Guessed you might have had a bad copy from your earlier post.   (You wouldn't be the first).  Can't comment on the 1.4 till i have it, but at least I am satisfied on the 100-400.  Just need that 800 to compliment as I always seem to find whether at 500 or 600, that extra reach is needed for the wee birds.  (not bad for the waterfowl also.. :)  ).  

My target being the 100-400, 1.4 and 800 combo.  Whilst the 200-600 appeals, quality is not known; nor a supply date, and for the wee birds, the 1.4 will probably go on it. 

Just supply an issue.  DOH!  (ordered the Z9 on November 3rd last year.... must be due soon?)
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by ricardo00 on Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:25 am
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david fletcher wrote:
ricardo00 wrote:
david fletcher wrote:
Scott Fairbairn wrote:
david fletcher wrote:
Scott Fairbairn wrote:
An interesting lens, and if I didn't own the 100-400, I'd pick it up.


Me too Scott.  My 100-400 took 8 months to arrive and I like the versatility of the zoom so its a keeper...., Next is the longer reach lens to compliment.   (I'm still waiting on the 1.4 extender which is due sometime in July).




The 100-400 works pretty well with the 1.4x.



Thanks Scott.  Am looking forward to it.


  Personally, I was not impressed with how my 1.4TC worked on the 100-400mm lens.  Maybe it is me or my copies of the lens/TC, but thouht the 500mm PF was much better to use then the combo of the zoom and TC


Thanks for that feedback Ricardo.  Guessed you might have had a bad copy from your earlier post.   (You wouldn't be the first).  Can't comment on the 1.4 till i have it, but at least I am satisfied on the 100-400.  Just need that 800 to compliment as I always seem to find whether at 500 or 600, that extra reach is needed for the wee birds.  (not bad for the waterfowl also.. :)  ).  

My target being the 100-400, 1.4 and 800 combo.  Whilst the 200-600 appeals, quality is not known; nor a supply date, and for the wee birds, the 1.4 will probably go on it. 

Just supply an issue.  DOH!  (ordered the Z9 on November 3rd last year.... must be due soon?)


  Hope you get your Z9 soon!  It has been fun playing with.  Not sure which earlier post you are referring to since this is the first time I have used either my Z 1.4TC (received in Dec.) or a 100-400mm (a rental copy, my prior one that I bought I returned in Dec since I did not have a camera to use it on and the 30 day return window was almost up).  After all the great reviews on the 100-400mm, regretted returning mine so rented it to try it out again.  Still don't think I want it for my every day needs, just too short.  Will have to wait for the 800mm I ordered (or try the 400mm f/4.5 with the TC?).
 

by Scott Fairbairn on Sat Jul 02, 2022 2:16 pm
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ricardo00 wrote:
david fletcher wrote:
Scott Fairbairn wrote:
david fletcher wrote:
Scott Fairbairn wrote:
An interesting lens, and if I didn't own the 100-400, I'd pick it up.


Me too Scott.  My 100-400 took 8 months to arrive and I like the versatility of the zoom so its a keeper...., Next is the longer reach lens to compliment.   (I'm still waiting on the 1.4 extender which is due sometime in July).




The 100-400 works pretty well with the 1.4x.



Thanks Scott.  Am looking forward to it.


  Personally, I was not impressed with how my 1.4TC worked on the 100-400mm lens.  Maybe it is me or my copies of the lens/TC, but thouht the 500mm PF was much better to use then the combo of the zoom and TC


It's a bit of an apple/oranges comparison comparing a bare prime lens to a zoom with a TC. I don't photograph resolution charts to objectively evaluate sharpness. I look at the images at 100% and if they are something that I can submit for publication, then it works for me. I've done some comparisons between the 500PF and the 100-400 in terms of focus and keeper rate, and while the 500 does adapt well, the 100-400 has given me a more consistent keeper rate. 
 

by Scott Fairbairn on Sat Jul 02, 2022 2:18 pm
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ricardo00 wrote:
david fletcher wrote:
ricardo00 wrote:
david fletcher wrote:
Scott Fairbairn wrote:
david fletcher wrote:
Scott Fairbairn wrote:
An interesting lens, and if I didn't own the 100-400, I'd pick it up.


Me too Scott.  My 100-400 took 8 months to arrive and I like the versatility of the zoom so its a keeper...., Next is the longer reach lens to compliment.   (I'm still waiting on the 1.4 extender which is due sometime in July).




The 100-400 works pretty well with the 1.4x.



Thanks Scott.  Am looking forward to it.


  Personally, I was not impressed with how my 1.4TC worked on the 100-400mm lens.  Maybe it is me or my copies of the lens/TC, but thouht the 500mm PF was much better to use then the combo of the zoom and TC


Thanks for that feedback Ricardo.  Guessed you might have had a bad copy from your earlier post.   (You wouldn't be the first).  Can't comment on the 1.4 till i have it, but at least I am satisfied on the 100-400.  Just need that 800 to compliment as I always seem to find whether at 500 or 600, that extra reach is needed for the wee birds.  (not bad for the waterfowl also.. :)  ).  

My target being the 100-400, 1.4 and 800 combo.  Whilst the 200-600 appeals, quality is not known; nor a supply date, and for the wee birds, the 1.4 will probably go on it. 

Just supply an issue.  DOH!  (ordered the Z9 on November 3rd last year.... must be due soon?)


  Hope you get your Z9 soon!  It has been fun playing with.  Not sure which earlier post you are referring to since this is the first time I have used either my Z 1.4TC (received in Dec.) or a 100-400mm (a rental copy, my prior one that I bought I returned in Dec since I did not have a camera to use it on and the 30 day return window was almost up).  After all the great reviews on the 100-400mm, regretted returning mine so rented it to try it out again.  Still don't think I want it for my every day needs, just too short.  Will have to wait for the 800mm I ordered (or try the 400mm f/4.5 with the TC?).



I noticed in the press release that Nikon specifically mentioned that the 400f4.5 was designed to work with both converters. Hopefully, that is true, as I've always considered a 2x to be a crap shoot. lol
 

by Scott Fairbairn on Sat Jul 02, 2022 2:24 pm
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david fletcher wrote:
ricardo00 wrote:
david fletcher wrote:
Scott Fairbairn wrote:
david fletcher wrote:
Scott Fairbairn wrote:
An interesting lens, and if I didn't own the 100-400, I'd pick it up.


Me too Scott.  My 100-400 took 8 months to arrive and I like the versatility of the zoom so its a keeper...., Next is the longer reach lens to compliment.   (I'm still waiting on the 1.4 extender which is due sometime in July).




The 100-400 works pretty well with the 1.4x.



Thanks Scott.  Am looking forward to it.


  Personally, I was not impressed with how my 1.4TC worked on the 100-400mm lens.  Maybe it is me or my copies of the lens/TC, but thouht the 500mm PF was much better to use then the combo of the zoom and TC


Thanks for that feedback Ricardo.  Guessed you might have had a bad copy from your earlier post.   (You wouldn't be the first).  Can't comment on the 1.4 till i have it, but at least I am satisfied on the 100-400.  Just need that 800 to compliment as I always seem to find whether at 500 or 600, that extra reach is needed for the wee birds.  (not bad for the waterfowl also.. :)  ).  

My target being the 100-400, 1.4 and 800 combo.  Whilst the 200-600 appeals, quality is not known; nor a supply date, and for the wee birds, the 1.4 will probably go on it. 

Just supply an issue.  DOH!  (ordered the Z9 on November 3rd last year.... must be due soon?)



I'm waiting on the 800 as well. I lucked out on the Z9 and got mine shortly after release, but the 800 seems to be a rare beast. I'm with you on the 100-400 and 800 combo. The 200-600 would be great, but news on that lens has gone quiet, so who knows when that will appear? Certainly unlikely until the fall at least. One thing that I like about the 1-400 is it makes a fantastic macro lens with the 1.4x and shooting in DX mode on the Z9. I can shoot flys with it far enough away that it doesn't spook them(not that flies are that interesting, but you get the point). 
 

by david fletcher on Sat Jul 02, 2022 2:32 pm
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  Personally, I was not impressed with how my 1.4TC worked on the 100-400mm lens.  Maybe it is me or my copies of the lens/TC, but thouht the 500mm PF was much better to use then the combo of the zoom and TC

  Hope you get your Z9 soon!  It has been fun playing with.  Not sure which earlier post you are referring to since this is the first time I have used either my Z 1.4TC (received in Dec.) or a 100-400mm (a rental copy, my prior one that I bought I returned in Dec since I did not have a camera to use it on and the 30 day return window was almost up).  After all the great reviews on the 100-400mm, regretted returning mine so rented it to try it out again.  Still don't think I want it for my every day needs, just too short.  Will have to wait for the 800mm I ordered (or try the 400mm f/4.5 with the TC?).


Sorry Ricardo.  Not having all the info.  Was attaching the return you mentioned,  in my mind to the comment of not being impressed with the 1.4 with it.  

My bad.   :oops:

Anyway, re the 1.4, I hope I'll be in a position soon to know and understand what it can or can't do.  

Understand re being too short, so I'm waiting now for the 800 also.  For me, the 100-400 removes my need for the 70-200 and is do-able for my deer and mammal hikes so has a place.  The zoom is important as I can quickly go from close to animal-scape.  

So would like to get my hands on the Z9.  (That'll and the 800 will be one of the last pieces in the puzzle)....

Good things come to those that wait.... and we are so good at that!  :D


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by david fletcher on Sat Jul 02, 2022 2:44 pm
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Scott Fairbairn wrote:
ricardo00 wrote:
david fletcher wrote:
Scott Fairbairn wrote:
david fletcher wrote:
Scott Fairbairn wrote:
An interesting lens, and if I didn't own the 100-400, I'd pick it up.


Me too Scott.  My 100-400 took 8 months to arrive and I like the versatility of the zoom so its a keeper...., Next is the longer reach lens to compliment.   (I'm still waiting on the 1.4 extender which is due sometime in July).




The 100-400 works pretty well with the 1.4x.



Thanks Scott.  Am looking forward to it.


  Personally, I was not impressed with how my 1.4TC worked on the 100-400mm lens.  Maybe it is me or my copies of the lens/TC, but thouht the 500mm PF was much better to use then the combo of the zoom and TC


It's a bit of an apple/oranges comparison comparing a bare prime lens to a zoom with a TC. I don't photograph resolution charts to objectively evaluate sharpness. I look at the images at 100% and if they are something that I can submit for publication, then it works for me. I've done some comparisons between the 500PF and the 100-400 in terms of focus and keeper rate, and while the 500 does adapt well, the 100-400 has given me a more consistent keeper rate. 

With you on that Scott.  There seems as you have noticed, quite some use for macro too, particularly dragonflies etc, so I'm holding off on the MC 105 till I've explored all the opportunities.  MTF charts mean zip...dibbly...s..it to me.  Always about what I see and keepers... 

Interesting times....  In 2008 I went to Kenya and my bag with cameras and lenses weighed 18kgs... (I'm planning with a Z7II, Z9, 24-70, the 100-400, 1.4 and the 800 with a Gura Gear bag and am looking at a weight of nearer 9 kgs.... batteries and cards in the pockets of course   :))... 

Don't get me wrong... The 400 F4.5 looks real interesting, but with supply issues, Nikon are hamstringing themselves with buyers decision making. 
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