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by E.J. Peiker on Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:09 am
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https://www.dpreview.com/news/6928451500/nikon-updates-z-roadmap-with-400mm-f2-8-tc-vr-26mm-fx-24mm-dx-and-12-28mm-dx-lenses

400/2.8, 600/4, and 800/5.6 Z lenses now on roadmap 

It is starting to feel like all of the manufacturers have abandoned making 500 mm F/4 lenses
 

by adamsti on Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:29 pm
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That stinks. My 500 basically never leaves my side shooting auto racing and aviation.
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by KK Hui on Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:41 pm
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E.J. Peiker wrote:... 400/2.8, 600/4, and 800/5.6 Z lenses now on roadmap 

It is starting to feel like all of the manufacturers have abandoned making 500 mm F/4 lenses
I think it's all to do with priority.
At the moment Nikon is concentrating on FF bodies and 600/4 & 800/5.6 fit well.
For APS-C body, 500/4 would match better in terms of focal length. That may come later ...

Oh, there is a 200-600 in the pipeline too.
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by hullyjr on Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:48 pm
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You could argue that Nion's new 400/2.8 with buily-in extender double as a 560/4 although you pay a premium. I'm disappointed that Nikon thinks the need for plain old 600/4 and 800/5.6 outweight making slower versions with PF optics. A 600/5.6 PF would appeal to more folks bring and more users into the Nikon camp. Unless these planned for lenses are markedly smaller/lighter which seems unlikely, they will only appeal to existing Nikon DSLR customers and most of them are getting on (I include myself).

I'm done with these big monsters, carrying them on international flights gets more and more risky. I flew on KLM and they wanted to weigh every bag at check-in. Good job they didn't put me on the scales! The US carriers don't seem to care but only takes one.
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by dougc on Fri Oct 29, 2021 9:57 am
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E.J. Peiker wrote:https://www.dpreview.com/news/6928451500/nikon-updates-z-roadmap-with-400mm-f2-8-tc-vr-26mm-fx-24mm-dx-and-12-28mm-dx-lenses

400/2.8, 600/4, and 800/5.6 Z lenses now on roadmap 

It is starting to feel like all of the manufacturers have abandoned making 500 mm F/4 lenses
Where did you see that the 800mm is an f5.6? If the silhouette image is to be believed, it would seem to me it’s more likely an F8 PF lens.
 

by SantaFeJoe on Fri Oct 29, 2021 10:21 am
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dougc wrote:Where did you see that the 800mm is an f5.6? If the silhouette image is to be believed, it would seem to me it’s more likely an F8 PF lens.
Hey Doug
Where are you seeing the profile at? I only see the profile for the 600 in the places I have seen.
I would love to see an 800 f8 PF though , if that ever sees the light of day.

Edit: I finally found it after much searching:

https://nikonrumors.com/2021/10/28/updated-nikkor-z-mirrorless-lens-roadmap.aspx/

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by photoman4343 on Fri Oct 29, 2021 10:35 am
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I have always regretted in never owning a 600mm f4 for birds and nature. I compromised with a 500mm f4. If I were to own a Z9, a 600mm f5.6 pf on it would be a winning combination, for me. However, I do see how a 600mm f4 for some would be a better option.
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by Brian E. Small on Fri Oct 29, 2021 12:03 pm
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photoman4343 wrote:I have always regretted in never owning a 600mm f4 for birds and nature. I compromised with a 500mm f4. If I were to own a Z9, a 600mm f5.6 pf on it would be a winning combination, for me. However, I do see how a 600mm f4 for some would be a better option.
Not trying to start a Nikon vs Sony war..............but this is where Sony really shines for me as a bird photographer.  Their dedicated mirrorless 600 f/4 is extremely light for what it is and is close to the weight and handling of a DSLR 500 f/4.  This light weight also makes the smaller, lighter bodies they make feel right at home on their 600 in terms of balance and weight distribution.
 

by david fletcher on Sun Oct 31, 2021 8:37 am
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There is also another 400 in the Road map and if the scale is right, barely longer than the 70-200 S, suggesting a possible PF.

HERE

(Couldn't find it on Nikon USA.   Scroll down half way).
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by SantaFeJoe on Sun Oct 31, 2021 10:57 am
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david fletcher wrote:There is also another 400 in the Road map and if the scale is right, barely longer than the 70-200 S, suggesting a possible PF.

HERE

(Couldn't find it on Nikon USA.   Scroll down half way).
Great observation, David! That would fill a niche.

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by david fletcher on Sun Oct 31, 2021 1:29 pm
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photoman4343 wrote:I have always regretted in never owning a 600mm f4 for birds and nature. I compromised with a 500mm f4. If I were to own a Z9, a 600mm f5.6 pf on it would be a winning combination, for me. However, I do see how a 600mm f4 for some would be a better option.

If as many think, weight is an issue, the latest Roadmap indicates a 400 barely a bit longer than a 70-200 if scale is correct.  That would suggest a PF.  

HERE


Far too early to tell, but I would not be surprised to see a 400 F4 or 5.6 PF.  Might be wrong, as all yet still to be revealed, but I would not be too surprised.  (2023?)

If so, a light weight 400 with a 1.4 could be a killer combo.. Either way, Nikon is showing an intention as the 800 seems smaller than the 600 F4, so we will see.  
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by E.J. Peiker on Sun Oct 31, 2021 6:19 pm
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The 800 being the same length as the 400/2.8 and what looks like a slightly smaller diameter would suggest something around a 800 f/6.3 or f/7.1 PF...
 

by hullyjr on Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:14 am
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david fletcher wrote:There is also another 400 in the Road map and if the scale is right, barely longer than the 70-200 S, suggesting a possible PF.

HERE

(Couldn't find it on Nikon USA.   Scroll down half way).
Good catch. Strange, at least to me, they would go for 400mm rather than just re-engineer the current 500/5.6 into the Z mount. That 200-600mm looks interesting although it doesn't have the S label. 
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by david fletcher on Sat Nov 06, 2021 2:04 pm
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hullyjr wrote:
david fletcher wrote:There is also another 400 in the Road map and if the scale is right, barely longer than the 70-200 S, suggesting a possible PF.

HERE

(Couldn't find it on Nikon USA.   Scroll down half way).
Good catch. Strange, at least to me, they would go for 400mm rather than just re-engineer the current 500/5.6 into the Z mount. That 200-600mm looks interesting although it doesn't have the S label. 
You are not wrong Jim.  Personally, I hope it's not the 200-500 replacement as in engineering, but a Sony 200-600 competitor.  Be nice not to have the extending zoom, but I suspect it might be, and use a similar balance act the 100-400 shows, so may not be an issue.  Main thing for me will be IQ.  (then weight, then cost).  

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