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News about the overheating with video.
https://petapixel.com/2020/07/30/canon- ... ns-report/

This must be a big disappointment to many still photographers ...

I'm sure there are many people like myself would want to see a camera without video capability as I don't ever use it. It would bring down the cost of new cameras too!
A marketing issue?!

Scott Fairbairn wrote:News about the overheating with video.
https://petapixel.com/2020/07/30/canon- ... ns-report/

As always, mixed reporting. Here is another side of the shipping story:

https://www.dpreview.com/news/7706202483/canon-says-first-shipment-of-eos-r5-units-shipped-out-this-week-quieting-rumors-over-delays

Joe

Frame grabs from 8K video:

https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/news ... per-photos

High praise for the animal AF:

https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/news/the-canon-eos-r5-is-a-cheat-code-for-wildlife-photography

Skill will eventually lose out to technology at some point!

Joe

Well, I would love to post pictures with the R5 I received yesterday. However, the ring adapter I also ordered is backordered, so I can't adapt my EF lenses. Obviously I do not have any RF lenses, so it is wait a bit longer to use this AF system. Regarding video, my wife and I do very little. Occasionally placing a clip in a slide show. 4K 30 and FHD meets our needs and they apparently do not cause the overheating issue. In the meantime I have been setting up my preferences as best I can without actually using the camera and studying all the features and options. Stay tuned!

E.J. Peiker wrote:Looks like eye-AF on birds actually works with the f/11 lenses...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYuOUmhKbzY

That guy was shooting zoomed in where subject filled the frame and the eye was easy to detect.  To get a more balanced look at bird eye-focus, I watched this video.  He is impressed with the eye-focus too and I assume he was shooting in photo mode (and not video).  He brings up the faults with eye-focus and which can apply to any brand whether you have a camera with eye-focus or not.  Without eye-focus you can adjust the focus to zoom in on the eye. 

Skip to the part with Chelsea for what bird eye focus does in video mode.  She does make some interesting observations.  Of course I want to see for myself.  Also touches on the over-heating issue in video mode on the camera she is using. 

Like many others, I like to see the experiences of different reviewers and then try and get an overview of the capabilities of the camera.  This reviewer had these observations and they were shooting under these circumstances and this other reviewer was shooting these types of subjects under another set of circumstances, etc. 

R5 and R6 eye-focus shooting birds

The Northrups are exactly the WRONG people to believe !

EGrav wrote:The Northrups are exactly the WRONG people to believe !

This begs the obvious question.  Why?  Keep in mind, I don't know much about them and seldom watch any video by them (for no resaon other than I sedom have the need to and only found it when researching R5 and R6 eye focus).  I also don't watch any videos of that other guy EJ linked to either for the same reason I explaoned above.

Sorry, if you can't tell by watching them, I can't help you.  Every serious photo forum I follow, only mentions them to get a good laugh.

EGrav wrote:Sorry, if you can't tell by watching them, I can't help you.  Every serious photo forum I follow, only mentions them to get a good laugh.

You are entitled to your opnion. I don't go by what others have to say about a particular reviewer or photographer. I can examine a video and see the reasoning given and see if there is any logic behind it. Use your own common sense rather than to follow the crowd and let others make up your mind for you. 

Believe me, I make up my own opinions.
Have a good day.

EGrav wrote:Believe me, I make up my own opinions.
Have a good day.

As do I.  Yes, have a great weekend.  The weather this July has been record-breaking or near record breaking hot. Last summer was very hot too.  Thank goodness for A/C.

Can't believe no GPS. Puts me back to where I was with the 5D mark III with a separate gps. But I did get a bunch of stuff I don't need. Come on. They put that feature in point and shoots and cell phones these days.

The video seems to fall short of what someone who shoots videos needs due to overheating and slow slow cooling. Video exceeds my need. Glad to trade it for other features like Olympus pro capture or built in GPS.

That said, I guess I'm going to get one and try it so I don't continue to have to fight/relearn the sony.

Just got the camera. It's been a horrible day windy and rain, but my mind is blown when it comes to the new AF. A true game-changer. I assigned normal Spot-AF to AF-on and animal eye AF to the * button. If you are shooting shorebirds or birds on an open perch I think you would never lose focus, but we shall see. It stayed on the birds going all over my frame. I can see this working really well with small shorebirds running past you or BIF, where you now just worry about composition. Having the normal AF on one button and the eye-af on the other allows me to switch fast if the eye AF has trouble.
It works really well when it can see the bird's head, but it has trouble if it cannot see the head when the bird is turned away, for instance, that's where I think a combo of the two is ideal. Pre-focus with normal AF and then activate eye AF when the bird looks at you. If the bird's face is there, it will instantly lock on.
The standard setting is to have the camera search for the bird, but that seemed a bit annoying with multiple birds in the frame, so I changed the setting that allows me to have one point activated which I put on the bird and then start eye AF, that way I can choose what to focus on.

I have uploaded a quick AF sample, that I shot through a rainy window on an adapted 70-200, because I somehow needed to test it something lol
https://www.instagram.com/jan_wegener_/
You can see it in my story. I will try to make a proper video with an actual test in the next few days. We are in lockdown here, so I am a bit limited with places I can visit, unfortunately.

I wonder how good the eye-AF is when photographing a bird that has just flown against a green background and you are trying to pick it up? I assume the AF will just locate the head/eye and lock on?

OntPhoto wrote:I wonder how good the eye-AF is when photographing a bird that has just flown against a green background and you are trying to pick it up?  I assume the AF will just locate the head/eye and lock on?

Yes, it finds the bird faster than I ever could

With the camera being a bit smaller I find it actually harder to move AF points, so the eye af certainly helps. It’s not like every image you take with it is tack sharp on the eye, but acquiring the bird’s eye with no hunting is amazing.

Jan Wegener wrote:

OntPhoto wrote:I wonder how good the eye-AF is when photographing a bird that has just flown against a green background and you are trying to pick it up?  I assume the AF will just locate the head/eye and lock on?

Yes, it finds the bird faster than I ever could

With the camera being a bit smaller I find it actually harder to move AF points, so the eye af certainly helps. It’s not like every image you take with it is tack sharp on the eye, but acquiring the bird’s eye with no hunting is amazing.

Thanks Jan.  I like my DSLR to be bulky which is why I always add a battery grip.  The bulk and weight helps me to keep the camera more steady when handholding. 

I am learning more about the new R6.  It too has a crop factor of 1.6x option.  The more I look at it, the more I see it as an upgrade path from the 7D MK2.  It would be for the eye-AF and the cleaner higher ISO.  I have had on occasion to photograph at 51,200 on the 7D Mk2 and it is only to be used when it's the only choice (flash would be better option).  ISO 51,200 is not pretty.  But if ISO 51,200 is still clean enough, that is a game changer for me because the option is there and useable.  I won't be an early adopter so will sit back and see how everyone else is doing with it. 

Interesting fix for Canon’s overheating problem. Just remove the cards and use an external recorder:

https://petapixel.com/2020/08/07/removi ... over-hdmi/

Joe

An article on wildlife photography with Canon R5/6 cameras accompanied by some excellent photos:

https://fstoppers.com/animal/insights-c ... ohn-504562

Joe

I managed to put together a video with my first impressions of the camera. For stills, it's simply amazing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vyq304j4wE
The high ISO performance at 45 mpix is basically unheard of. In the video, you can see sample shots at 12800 ISO, which have less noise than my Mark IV at 3200.
Animal-eye Af is the real game-changer for me, it works well and opens up so many more possibilities. And for BIF it's simply next level, my keeper rate has gone through the roof.
In the video, there are a few examples, where the bird flies behind branches and grass and in front of busy backgrounds and the camera doesn't lose focus at all. It never fully loses the birds, not every shot is sharp on the head, but it basically never jumps onto the background and fully loses focus. So far, I am amazed by this camera and it will allow me to take better & more images.
Does it overheat? Yes! And it's kinda bad. The worst issue I had was when the camera was simply idling with the screens running. Within one hour all video recording was essentially gone. So that's disappointing, as I can see this being an issue in the field for sure. Taking a lot of photos takes less toll on the video time than just letting the camera sit somewhere. I will have to remember to turn it off at all times. So it's quite likely that after a few hours of taking images most video functions will be unavailable.
For me personally, the camera makes up for it with its insane stills capabilities, but it was heavily marketed as hybrid and while the video quality and features are great, it's very limited due to overheating.