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by signgrap on Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:39 pm
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What do you think after watching the video and reading the story?
https://www.dpreview.com/news/9304115820/psa-this-is-what-happens-when-a-drone-hits-the-wing-of-an-airplane
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by Ed Cordes on Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:46 pm
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I understand the value of drones in the right circumstances and in the right hands. However, I do feel there needs to be stronger regulation. This regulation needs to be FAA as well as the wildlife management agencies.
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by DChan on Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:20 pm
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Are cars dangerous?

How about guns ? :wink:
 

by SantaFeJoe on Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:13 pm
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DChan wrote:
Are cars dangerous?

How about guns ? :wink:

Yes to both, but they are regulated in several ways! I will post something in a minute how restrictions are being flaunted at the Albuquerque International Baloon Fiesta.

https://dronedj.com/2018/10/08/drones-albuquerque-international-balloon-fiesta/

Here you go:

https://www.krqe.com/news/balloon-fiesta/hundreds-violate-faa-s-no-drone-fly-zone-at-balloon-fiesta/1510662538

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by Rocky Sharwell on Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:39 am
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Some owners are dangerous -not the drones themselves. They have had to ground firefighting aircraft this summer out west on occasion because of drones in the area. That being said they can be useful to first responders too...
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by david fletcher on Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:48 pm
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DChan wrote:
Are cars dangerous?

How about guns ? :wink:


good point DChan.  


As Rocky also said, some owners are dangerous.  There is an element in society here in the UK where they feel "I want to do this" so they do.  Maybe that is more prevalent globally but I can't answer that.  

the driver for sending them up may be from an almost child like manner because they want to.  No thought or consideration not only to others privacy, but to the danger they can cause.  The reckless malicious, the reckless thoughtless. 

Either way, there are clear benefits.  Firefighting, first response, even in combat, but the public are like water, and will find the least line of resistance if not guided.  

Legislation and accountability before a tragedy is more cost effective than after.
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by SantaFeJoe on Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:16 pm
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david fletcher wrote:

Either way, there are clear benefits.  Firefighting, first response, even in combat, but the public are like water, and will find the least line of resistance if not guided.  

Legislation and accountability before a tragedy is more cost effective than after.

Here are a few examples of drones being used for good:

Drones used for good

And another:

https://fstoppers.com/drone/dramatic-footage-some-65-lives-drones-saved-last-year-257243

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by david fletcher on Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:36 pm
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SantaFeJoe wrote:
david fletcher wrote:

Either way, there are clear benefits.  Firefighting, first response, even in combat, but the public are like water, and will find the least line of resistance if not guided.  

Legislation and accountability before a tragedy is more cost effective than after.

Here are a few examples of drones being used for good:

Drones used for good

And another:

https://fstoppers.com/drone/dramatic-footage-some-65-lives-drones-saved-last-year-257243

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Worth a look at those links.. Good research  Joe
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by signgrap on Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:09 pm
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I think there are a number of things that differentiate drones from cars and guns. The main one is that many consider a drone a toy. Anybody can buy a drone - no licence or mandatory supervision. At least guns are controlled to a greater or lesser extent depending on where one lives and the type of gun. And everyone is reminded that guns kill people. Everyone needs a license to drive a car; which means that you have to past a test and know the rules of the road before operating a car. For drones no such regulations currently exist. Another aspect of operating a drone that separates it from driving a car is that the car operator's life is always at risk while driving, which helps people drive more safely. The drone pilot's life is rarely if ever put a risk so there is no immediate consequences to risk taking with the exception of a crashed drone.
After watching the video it is clear that if a drone hits the wing of an airliner it is quite possible that the plane will become uncontrollable, possibly causing a crash. This means that 200 - 300 lives could be at risk. If it take a crash before some type of control is enacted - as someone else has already stated that would be closing the barn door after the horse has already bolted. So what I'm lobbying for is some type of control/licensing of drones and their operators BEFORE a catastrophic crash occurs not after.
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by SantaFeJoe on Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:52 pm
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signgrap wrote:
The main one is that many consider a drone a toy....

....Everyone needs a license to drive a car; which means that you have to past a test and know the rules of the road before operating a car.
.... Another aspect of operating a drone that separates it from driving a car is that the car operator's life is always at risk while driving, which helps people drive more safely. The drone pilot's life is rarely if ever put a risk so there is no immediate consequences to risk taking with the exception of a crashed drone.


Drones bring out a lot of anger in some people and, therefore, can cause immediate risk to the operator:

Drone shooter question

https://seashepherd.org/2017/12/26/sea-shepherd-night-drone-shot-down-by-poachers/

As for “the car operator’s life is always at risk while driving, which helps people drive more safely.”: 

Have you ever been out to New Mexico? After “The Fast and the Furious” and “Gone in Sixty Seconds” movies, every little punk car thinks he’s the greatest hotrod around. There is no respect for the law and innocent people are getting killed by them:

https://www.abqjournal.com/116534/updated-woman-hit-in-suspected-drag-race-dies.html

https://www.koat.com/article/mother-of-10-year-old-killed-in-drag-racing-crash-she-was-my-everything/8286127

https://www.koat.com/article/intersection-of-coors-and-gonzales-shut-down-due-to-fatal-crash/9615724

So in themselves, cars, guns and drones are normally not the problem under most circumstances, but they are dangerous in the hands of many users.

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by SantaFeJoe on Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:29 am
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Drones and the hurricane—warning fromFAA:

https://www.dpreview.com/news/1706193583/faa-issues-warning-to-drone-pilots-in-hurricane-areas

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by SantaFeJoe on Thu Oct 11, 2018 5:21 pm
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Brilliant-(not)- use of a drone! Ineptitude at it’s finest:

https://fstoppers.com/drone/drug-dealers-arrested-after-crashing-their-drone-prison-footage-themselves-296119

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by E.J. Peiker on Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:27 pm
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If a drone is operated according to the law, 400 feet or below and not permitted within 5 miles of any airport, this can not happen. However, like so many things in this world, if not operated according to the law or regulations, of course there can be problems. By the way, that specific damage would not crash most airplanes, however if it occurred on one of the tail surfaces, especially the elevators on an aircraft where the entire surface moves not just the trailing edge (like virtually all light Piper aircraft), it could be catastrophic. Now helicopters that operate at low altitudes even away from airports, especially news, law enforcement, and medivac helicopters are way more at risk...
 

by SantaFeJoe on Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:39 am
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E.J. Peiker wrote:
If a drone is operated according to the law, 400 feet or below and not permitted within 5 miles of any airport, this can not happen.  However, like so many things in this world, if not operated according to the law or regulations, of course there can be problems.

Now it may be more of a risk near airports:

https://www.dpreview.com/news/0364234477/dji-can-now-enable-drone-operation-in-controlled-areas

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by Scott Fairbairn on Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:30 pm
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I have a couple of comments about the drone damage video. One, if anyone had any doubt that a drone could severely damage a plane, it's gone now. That is both good and bad. Good in that responsible people will act accordingly, but bad in that certain elements may suddenly decide to try to bring down a plane now that they know the level of damage that can occur.
Regarding the comparison to guns, handguns are tightly regulated in Canada, but after every shooting in the once good city of Toronto(a common occurrence now), the clammer is to make them illegal, conveniently forgetting that criminals don't follow the rules. So I'm not sure how further regulations or licensing of drone operators will decrease the risk to aircraft.
 

by SantaFeJoe on Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:49 pm
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More from AIBF:

https://fstoppers.com/news/hundreds-drone-pilots-violate-faa-restricted-airspace-get-perfect-shot-hot-air-296148

And a new bill re: Drones and privacy:

https://www.dpreview.com/news/5493826085/pennsylvania-bill-invading-privacy-endangering-wellbeing

It also addresses the issue I mentioned above about smuggling.

And more here:

https://fstoppers.com/drone/faa-reauthorization-act-passes-affects-drone-users-296651

And I hadn’t heard of this old collision with a helicopter:

https://fstoppers.com/drone/ntsb-issues-final-report-collision-between-drone-and-army-helicopter-210633

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