Canon EOS R Mirrorless System announcement

c.w. moynihan wrote:I wonder how much quality loss there is using EF lenses with the RF adapter ? I certainly don't want to re-buy the same focal length lenses in "R" version that I have in "E" versions.

There shouldn't be a quality loss but there might be a loss in AF speed.

signgrap wrote:

c.w. moynihan wrote:I wonder how much quality loss there is using EF lenses with the RF adapter ? I certainly don't want to re-buy the same focal length lenses in "R" version that I have in "E" versions.

There shouldn't be a quality loss but there might be a loss in AF speed.

Actually on a test bench, there is a measurable quality loss due to having two additional surfaces with planarity tolerances.  This was the subject of a LensRentals analysis a few years back.  Whether or not you can see it actual photos will depend on a lot of things...
https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/0 ... -adapters/

In that Lensrentals article it also states ...
Like a lot of tests, you can detect a very real difference in the lab that doesn’t make much difference at all in the real world ...

Not sure I would want only Dual Pixel focus on my camera. No dou t better than on my 5d4 but still I think Sony have the right idea with PDAF on the sensor. Only one card slot? Well at least the Canon costs less than its Nikon counterpart. Pretty sure they sell in buckets either way.

Neilyb wrote:Well at least the Canon costs less than its Nikon counterpart. Pretty sure they sell in buckets either way.

Not really, the pricing is Z6 (24mp) < EOS R (30mp) < Z7 (45mp)  - pretty much right in line with the resolution of the cameras.  The prices pretty much scale with sensor resolution.  You can almost take  about 75-80% of the megapixel rating and tack on two 0's and that's the price of the camera in USD.

So it is back to how many pixels it has thought the world had moved on

Neilyb wrote:So it is back to how many pixels it has thought the world had moved on

Sure, for largely equivalent cameras, pricing is and always will be related to pixel density.  Now if you build something that is different like an a9 or an a7S or a D5 or EOS 1Dx on the DSLR side then the pricing model is different.  But the Z6, Z7, and EOS M, are virtually the same camera from a features perspective so the differentiation is going to be largely on resolution.  That should not be surprising at all in my opinion.

E.J. Peiker wrote:

Neilyb wrote:So it is back to how many pixels it has thought the world had moved on

Sure, for largely equivalent cameras, pricing is and always will be related to pixel density.  Now if you build something that is different like an a9 or an a7S or a D5 or EOS 1Dx on the DSLR side then the pricing model is different.  But the Z6, Z7, and EOS M, are virtually the same camera from a features perspective so the differentiation is going to be largely on resolution.  That should not be surprising at all in my opinion.

Erm........Ibis on Z’s, no Ibis on ‘R’. 

MND wrote:

E.J. Peiker wrote:

Neilyb wrote:So it is back to how many pixels it has thought the world had moved on

Sure, for largely equivalent cameras, pricing is and always will be related to pixel density.  Now if you build something that is different like an a9 or an a7S or a D5 or EOS 1Dx on the DSLR side then the pricing model is different.  But the Z6, Z7, and EOS M, are virtually the same camera from a features perspective so the differentiation is going to be largely on resolution.  That should not be surprising at all in my opinion.

Erm........Ibis on Z’s, no Ibis on ‘R’. 

Yeh I noticed that. Canon had a chance to re-design its lenses and have IBIS take some bulk out of them. 

Not going to trash either maker as I have not used either camera but on paper there are some gaps need filling  

Great blog post on these new mirrorless offerings from Roger Cicala at LensRentals:
https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2018/0 ... y-opinion/

E.J. Peiker wrote:Great blog post on these new mirrorless offerings from Roger Cicala at LensRentals:
https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2018/0 ... y-opinion/

I like Roger's posts; they are well written, humorous and thoughtful. I agree that the number one feature of the new bodies is to reduce the migration to Sony. If I had a 5Dmark4 or D850, I can't see a reason to switch over to the new bodies, other than the reasons he mentions.

Scott Fairbairn wrote:

E.J. Peiker wrote:Great blog post on these new mirrorless offerings from Roger Cicala at LensRentals:
https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2018/0 ... y-opinion/

I like Roger's posts; they are well written, humorous and thoughtful. I agree that the number one feature of the new bodies is to reduce the migration to Sony. If I had a 5Dmark4 or D850, I can't see a reason to switch over to the new bodies, other than the reasons he mentions.

Isn't it refreshing to see a balanced and somewhat unbiased, useful set of comments rather than the trolling from the youtube bloggers that absolutely must get their words said at the earliest opportunity to retain their clicks.  

(A famous quote):

So much has been said, by so few.   That has had so little value and so great a following....  .  That of course is total tosh but it's good not to take things too seriously sometimes.  

New first impressions review:
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon- ... ons-review

E.J. Peiker wrote:New first impressions review:
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon- ... ons-review

Not to bash Canon, but I can't figure out who this camera was designed for, some of the shortcomings are problematic. The touch bar is likely as useful as the touch bar on a Macbook Pro...that is to say, it's a feature looking for someone to figure out an application for it.

Most people think that it is squarely targeted at 5D4 users as a backup camera or as a transition to mirrorless camera. It clearly is not designed for switchers from another brand. The sensor is, by a significant margin, the worst sensor currently available in a full frame mirrorless camera. But then Canon users have been putting up with the worst sensors on the market since 2008 yet Canon still sells more cameras than anybody else by a long shot...

EOS R video review:

https://www.dpreview.com/videos/6801999 ... s-r-review

Joe

I have now watched a few hands-on/review/like and dislikes videos. They all seem to like the touch screen AF point selection as opposed to a tactile joystick, but if anyone out there can tell me how well that works in winter with gloved hands please feel free to post

Roger does a teardown:

https://www.dpreview.com/news/739350412 ... mirrorless

Joe

SantaFeJoe wrote:Roger does a teardown:

https://www.dpreview.com/news/739350412 ... mirrorless

Joe

Thanks for posting!  Here's the direct link - no need to click through another site - most of it is for geeks like me but the conclusions at the end are good for anyone considering the camera:
https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2018/1 ... ss-camera/

Here’s another teardown:

https://kolarivision.com/unbiased-canon ... -teardown/

Joe