Northern Goshawk ?


Posted by Jimmy G on Sat Oct 18, 2003 7:21 pm

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This was taken at Jones Beach today a birder said he thought it was a Goshawk but I'm not sure.

Canon 1D 500mm f4, Tripod Ball head Sidekick, Evaluative metering shutter priority 1/500 @ f10, Manual focus.
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by Bob Ettinger on Sat Oct 18, 2003 7:23 pm
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Jimmy,

Really nice detail and pose.
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by Mike Wilson on Sat Oct 18, 2003 7:32 pm
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Looks like a juvie Cooper's to me. Love the detail in this shot.
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by Jim Urbach on Sat Oct 18, 2003 7:39 pm
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JImmy,

Surprised how close you got to him. Great detail and intense stare.

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by Ian Cale on Sat Oct 18, 2003 7:49 pm
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I was waiting to see if you posted this shot. Jim mentioned he was suprised how close you got. Does AAAAAHHHH sound familiar :lol:
 

by Alan Murphy on Sat Oct 18, 2003 8:21 pm
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Jimmy, Great photo. looks like the point of focus is on the back or tail as the head looks a tad soft. Love the pose and the tree at an angle. great BG too.
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by Chip Estabrooks on Sat Oct 18, 2003 10:27 pm
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I'm with Alan on this one. I vote for the juv. Coopers but I will certainly differ to the experts.
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by Anthony Medici on Sat Oct 18, 2003 11:03 pm
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I was thinking the same thing as Alan but I would have loved to have gotten this close to what ever this is. :)
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by ajhand on Sun Oct 19, 2003 9:15 am
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Jimmy:

Birders, myself included, are always trying to turn Coops into Goshawks. But this looks like a young coop to me. The orange-buff head and lack of a strong white eyebrow. are good indications. The spots on the blowing breast feather look coopish, too.
The dark tail bands are normally kind of wavy on a gos, and a gos will usually look chunkier than this.
But I could be wrong.
Interesting how these birds will at times let you walk right up and say hello. A couple years ago I spotted one a few hundred yards away and I started approaching it slowly on foot, shooting as I went, until I was no more than 25 feet away. Young birds seem more cooperative.
Oh...nice shot.

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by James McIntyre on Sun Oct 19, 2003 11:53 am
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Jimmy:

This is a great shot of a "juvenile accipiter". But I agree with the guys above that this is a juvenile Cooper's, not a juvenile N. Goshawk.

In addition to their points, I think you should have been able to tell by the size if you were that close. (I calculate you were about 30' away.) The Goshawk is Redtail size (L ~22") and has a more buteo-like profile than the other accipiters. The Cooper's is smaller (L 14-20") and slimmer. Another definitive point is that the juvie Cooper's has entirely white undertail coverts, as your bird seems to have. Finally, the Goshawk is a bird of the woodlands and is unlikely to be seen on a beach, although I suppose anything can happen during migration.

Compare your bird with the juvie Goshawk I posted on Sep 10, 2003. There's quite a difference.

Again, a great pic.

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