Motif: topography - sheepscape WITH YET ANOTHER REPOST


Posted by Kelly on Tue Nov 18, 2003 10:25 pm

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I just got back a bunch of slides from Chas' STL workshop in Jasper and have only begun to sort through them. A common theme seems to be animals climbing steep hills or standing on top of them.

I had much higher hopes for the results of an evening on top of this knoll north of Jasper after the workshop had ended. The light on the background landscape was wonderful. The first group of shots had the background blown out while the sheep were sharp, posing wonderfully, and exposed very well. A GND might have helped, but the animals were often directly in front of the blown out parts. Then as the light diminished I pulled out the flash, and don't like what it did to the eyes and foreground grasses.

Canon Elan 7, 28-135 IS, probably Velvia 100, flash at about -1.5. I'm interested in what you would have done differently in this situation. Thanks!

Edit: Wow, a lot of people have really put a lot of effort into this. I really struggled with the colors before the first posting, and thought I was going color blind. I just deleted a few iterations of my reposts because I saw that the guidelines limit reposts to 2. OK, Jeff, I'll figure out duplicate layers soon. The sky was a pinkish lavender that night, and everything seemed to have that cast. It seemed like the easiest thing to do about that misbehaving grass was to mow it down with the clone tool.
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by Dennis Olivero on Tue Nov 18, 2003 11:07 pm
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The snow in the very near foreground is a little lighter than "expected" but you could burn that in easily... The sheep appear to have a greenish color cast but otherwise I think it is pretty darn cool. It looks like a painting.. The two and one comp is very pleasing to my eye. The background really rocks.. Way to go!
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by Safariguy on Tue Nov 18, 2003 11:12 pm
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I like the composition a lot...I would just play with this a bit in PS and fix some of the color casts so the whites on the sheep would pop white and perhaps knock a bit of the flash off of the grass... You definitely captured the cold and the environment.

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by NDCheryl on Tue Nov 18, 2003 11:18 pm
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Very cool shot. Colors a bit off but neat comp. It is making me cold... Well done!
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by Dennis Olivero on Tue Nov 18, 2003 11:23 pm
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Kelly,
its probably just a cyan cast, I am partially colored blind.. easy to fix.
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by Sheri Whala on Tue Nov 18, 2003 11:40 pm
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The background on this is wonderful! I agree with Cheryl.
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by Dennis Olivero on Tue Nov 18, 2003 11:53 pm
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Its going the right direction Kelly. I still see a little cyan around the eyes on the sheep especially the two further back. Use a little dodge on them also to make them pop out of the darker back ground.. just a titch 5-8% or something and you will have it! Good going..
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by Chas on Wed Nov 19, 2003 12:12 am
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Kelly, this image has a unique appeal that I like very much.

If you want to knock down the weed highlights click on Select > Color Range, under Sampled Colors choose highlights. You will see the grass snow and nose selected. To remove areas you do not want included (nose) use the lasso tool- while holding down the alt key draw a selection around the area you want to deselect. You can then use the burn tool, levels or curves, etc to tone down the offending highlights.

To slightly whiten the foreground snow without effecting the background, draw a selection with the lasso tool around this area. Select Hue/Saturation (Ctrl U on the keypad) in Edit select blue and desaturate with the slider. You can also do this a few other ways, but this is a quick fix.

For the record I like the blue foreground color cast in the snow on this image, and would leave it alone. I think it helps communicate the cold temp and dusk like feeling. I only illustrated how to do it since others mentioned it.

BTW-I did not alter the overall color from your original at all. I could, but did not :wink:


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by Safariguy on Wed Nov 19, 2003 12:57 am
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Hi Kelly...since everyone else offered up their ideas of what might work with your image...I decided to pile on... the face was really buggin, but I liked the rest of the image as I said before.. I like the magenta glow and so I wanted to leave that in the sky and reflected off of the ice...what I did not want was the green/cyan/blue faces so I deleted it....

Hope that you don't mind.....

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by Dennis Olivero on Wed Nov 19, 2003 12:59 am
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Great work everyone!
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by Kelly on Wed Nov 19, 2003 1:05 am
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Thanks, everyone!

Jeff, Did you use the same procedure on the face that Chas described? That seems to work better than the color balance that shifted the face toward red and/or yellow - I ended up with blushing sheep. :oops:
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by Safariguy on Wed Nov 19, 2003 1:15 am
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No nothing quite as complicated...

I used Hue/Saturation and backed the blue/cyan/green down to about -30. Then since I was on a duplicate layer...say this together, we only touch duplicate layers....I erased the effects of this in the places that I did not want to remove those colors like the sky...2 minutes tops....

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by Tim Grams on Wed Nov 19, 2003 1:32 am
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Way cool Kelly! Certainly one of your best posts.
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by Carol Clarke on Wed Nov 19, 2003 3:43 am
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Wonderful shot Kelly and for what its worth I love your original - not least because the sheep really pop out of the screen at me against that gorgeous BG. The reposts all progressively push the sheep back into the picture and it loses impact.

Superb shot.

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by Dennis Olivero on Wed Nov 19, 2003 8:04 am
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Hopefully Kelly can repost herself. The copying and resaving of Jpegs probably causes the pushing back effect, with progressive loss of sharpening.. Really great of everyone to help out!
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by Jenny Ellerbe on Wed Nov 19, 2003 8:35 am
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Ahhh, Kelly, here are the beginning shots from those slides!! This is a terrific composition. It looks like those sheep were placed there perfectly by you. I am going to let the rest of the guys help you with the color and PS stuff. I'll just say that I like Chas' post best, so far.

Can't wait to see more!!!!
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by chris earle on Wed Nov 19, 2003 8:36 am
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Kelly,
Great shot and you've already received lots of help on the colors. I like your third post the best.
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by Cliff Beittel on Wed Nov 19, 2003 8:53 am
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Great shot. I agree this is one of your best, and don't have any problem with the foreground in the original version (though I'd exclude the brightly lit foreground stems when sharpening--thin lines like those are always the first things to show artifacts).
 

by JBall on Wed Nov 19, 2003 9:15 am
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I really like this ( although I'm not sure which variation is my favourite ) - the benign "smiling" expressions on the sheep together with the dramatic lighting and backgroundit brings to mind a Mackenzie Thorpe painting
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by Paul Skoczylas on Wed Nov 19, 2003 10:54 am
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Safariguy wrote:I used Hue/Saturation and backed the blue/cyan/green down to about -30. Then since I was on a duplicate layer...say this together, we only touch duplicate layers....I erased the effects of this in the places that I did not want to remove those colors like the sky...2 minutes tops....
A Photoshop Tip:

You can do this with Adjustment Layers, rather than full duplicate layers. Create a Hue/Saturation adjustment layer, making whatever changes you want. They will appear to apply to the whole image--don't worry about that, but just look at the areas you want it to apply to. When you're done that, with the adjustment layer being the avtive layer, paint in black on any areas that you don't want the adjustment to apply to. This black paint doesn't appear on the picture (since adjustment layers don't have any real pixels), but only on the layer mask. It gets better too--if you want to partially apply the change in some areas, you can paint in grey. The darker the grey, the less of the adjustment will be applied. You can even do fillters on the layer mask (e.g. blurring of the edges of where you painted black).

Even more power: If you only want to have an adjustment apply to a certain area, select that area using the marquee, lassoo, or magic wand tools, feather if desired, and then create an adjustment layer. The layer will be created with a layer mask that is white in your selection, black outside, and scaled grey in the feathered areas (if you feathered the selection). You can still edit this layer mask.

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