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by WJaekel on Wed Oct 23, 2024 9:27 pm
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For decades, I have exported my files from C1 as 16bit Tiff files in Prophoto RGB color space for my masterfiles. However, after the installation of their newest Beta version to play arround with the new "Match look" feature, Prophoto suprisingly is missing /removed in the export tab. Furthermore, 16bit files are just provided in Adobe RGB as PSD -files - - or Tiff alternatively in Adobe RGB only in 8 bit mode. Of course, I have checked "Show all" in the ICC drop down menu. To create a new recipe doesn't help either.
Some users evidentally copied  Prophoto RGB icc in Photoshop and pasted it in Capture One folder, others say, that they have ROMM RGB in the app, which is said to be actually Prophoto RGB. I have not yet tried if that works and will be recognized as "ProphotoRGB" in PS.  Any ideas, if I'm missing anything? I never had a problem setting the output in C1 for 16 bit Prophoto Files before and wonder why they have dropped that

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BTW, it looks like C1 is more and more focused just on people and studio photography with at best minor benefit for nature photographers.So I don't know yet if I will furthermore spend my money for Capture One though the conversion is still superior to LR and DxO, IMO. Anyway, for the Canon R5 II I'd need to buy a new version - or jump on the subcription train :evil: .
 

by E.J. Peiker on Thu Oct 24, 2024 9:43 pm
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Have you checked with CaptureOne - perhaps it's just a limitation of the Beta.
 

by WJaekel on Fri Oct 25, 2024 9:31 am
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E.J. Peiker wrote: Have you checked with CaptureOne - perhaps it's just a limitation of the Beta.
Thank you for jumping in. Unfortunately it's not a limitation of the Beta. I asked them in the Q&A section of their recent livestream. They said, that the ProphotoRGB profile doesn't come with the C1-installation package but has to be copied/taken from another application used individually.. That's strange and not true, IMO, since ProphotoRGB has been always available from the beginning in all my versions of C1 up to 16.3. And I don't use ProphotoRGB in any other programs aside from C1 and PS.  It's also strange that Tiff in AdobeRGB profile is only available in 8bit for export of the files(16bit in psd only).
I have not yet tried if it works to get and copy ProphotoRGB from "another" app.into C1. BTW, ROMM RGB  obviously is NOT actually ProphotoRGB as some users say. For example It's different for Black point. Pretty confusing, so I don't know yet what to do. Maybe I need to send them a support ticket.

I have installed C1 Beta (and 16.3) on my relatively new win 11 PC, while I have been working with C1 on my win 10 machine before where ProphotoRGB was always available in C1 while that's not the case  on the new win11 PC. I don't know if this might be part of the problem but would be strange, too..

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by E.J. Peiker on Fri Oct 25, 2024 4:45 pm
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WJaekel wrote:
E.J. Peiker wrote: Have you checked with CaptureOne - perhaps it's just a limitation of the Beta.
Thank you for jumping in. Unfortunately it's not a limitation of the Beta. I asked them in the Q&A section of their recent livestream. They said, that the ProphotoRGB profile doesn't come with the C1-installation package but has to be copied/taken from another application used individually.. That's strange and not true, IMO, since ProphotoRGB has been always available from the beginning in all my versions of C1 up to 16.3. And I don't use ProphotoRGB in any other programs aside from C1 and PS.  It's also strange that Tiff in AdobeRGB profile is only available in 8bit for export of the files(16bit in psd only).
I have not yet tried if it works to get and copy ProphotoRGB from "another" app.into C1. BTW, ROMM RGB  obviously is NOT actually ProphotoRGB as some users say. For example It's different for Black point. Pretty confusing, so I don't know yet what to do. Maybe I need to send them a support ticket.

I have installed C1 Beta (and 16.3) on my relatively new win 11 PC, while I have been working with C1 on my win 10 machine before where ProphotoRGB was always available in C1 while that's not the case  on the new win11 PC. I don't know if this might be part of the problem but would be strange, too..

Wolfgang
I am running three systems on Win 11 and all of them have ProPhoto RGB available in C1 but I'm not running the Beta.
 

by WJaekel on Fri Oct 25, 2024 7:29 pm
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Thank you for the information. This confirms that the unavailibity of the prophoto RGB profile basically has nothing to to with the different OS (win 11 or win 10). My current (perpetual) version of C1 pro is 16.3.4  which always has prophotoRGB available on my win 10pro PC.  Consequently, I installed that version on the win 11 machine some time ago, too, but have not worked with it on that PC yet. So I don' know if ProphotoRGB was available there in the export tab as expected after the installation which was done before the Beta was offered. The Beta was just installed the day before yesterday. That said, Prophoto is missing in both installations now. Of course, the Beta was installed in a separate folder and thus shouldn't have interacted with C1 16.3.4. Anyway, I now will try to deinstall both the Beta and v 16.3.4 and reinstall them step by step to check if prophotoRGB is missing again in one or both. If so, I think I will need to address the issue to the CaptureOne support since the profile should not be missing in either version. It's really strange. But obviously some other users of C1 face that issue, too.

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by E.J. Peiker on Sun Oct 27, 2024 9:10 am
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WJaekel wrote: Thank you for the information. This confirms that the unavailibity of the prophoto RGB profile basically has nothing to to with the different OS (win 11 or win 10). My current (perpetual) version of C1 pro is 16.3.4  which always has prophotoRGB available on my win 10pro PC.  Consequently, I installed that version on the win 11 machine some time ago, too, but have not worked with it on that PC yet. So I don' know if ProphotoRGB was available there in the export tab as expected after the installation which was done before the Beta was offered. The Beta was just installed the day before yesterday. That said, Prophoto is missing in both installations now. Of course, the Beta was installed in a separate folder and thus shouldn't have interacted with C1 16.3.4. Anyway, I now will try to deinstall both the Beta and v 16.3.4 and reinstall them step by step to check if prophotoRGB is missing again in one or both. If so, I think I will need to address the issue to the CaptureOne support since the profile should not be missing in either version. It's really strange. But obviously some other users of C1 face that issue, too.

Wolfgang
I'll dig into this on my end a litlte later today or tomorrow as I don't want to suffer the same fate when the Beta becomes a release.
 

by E.J. Peiker on Sun Oct 27, 2024 4:15 pm
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For some reason, your Windows 12 installation does not include the ICC profiles you need.  It's pretty simple to get them there though.  Just go on your Windows 10 machine that has them and navigate to c:Windows/System32/spool/drivers/color and copy all of those files or the ones you want including ProPhoto.icm to your Windows 11 machine - you can use a memory card or any media to copy them over to the exact same folder in Windows 11.  Reboot the computer and you should be all set. Capture One as well as many other programs don't install profiles, it can only use those in this folder on your computer.
 

by WJaekel on Mon Oct 28, 2024 3:00 pm
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Thank you very much for your investigation and advice, E.J. !! In fact, prophotoRGB (and some other ICC profiles) were missing on my win 11 machine. I don't know why. After I followed the steps you listed, everything is fine in the export tab as it was expected !

I couldn't check it on the previous Beta, too, since it was expired and couldn't be started anymore though I just had registered my participation in their Beta program a few days ago. and it still was listed on my account. Maybe they meanwhile have already released the full version of ver 16.5 and skipped the Betas. Instead, I had to download the trial of 16.5 in the Beta section of my account which is the studio version I'm not interested in, though. Nevertheless the Prophoto profile was there too after I had copied the file over from my win 10 PC. Great ! :)
BTW,,are you on their subscription path now ? I'm still reserved to go that route. On the other hand, the progress in AI is rapid so that new features presumably will be implemented soon - hopefully more useful for nature photography, too.

Wolfgang
 

by E.J. Peiker on Mon Oct 28, 2024 4:56 pm
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Thew new version should work fine when released now that you have the right color spaces in the right place :)
 

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