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by E.J. Peiker on Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:34 pm
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It looks like 6K monitors are here.  Specs look fantastic:
https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/3/18644791/apple-mac-pro-display-xdr-6k-retina-hdr-wwdc-2019
 

by E.J. Peiker on Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:35 pm
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Apple page here:
https://www.apple.com/pro-display-xdr/
 

by E.J. Peiker on Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:10 pm
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Also a new MacPro:
https://www.apple.com/mac-pro/specs/

Kind of looks like a cheese-grater from the front :D
 

by Scott Fairbairn on Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:00 am
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E.J. Peiker wrote:It looks like 6K monitors are here.  Specs look fantastic:
https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/3/18644791/apple-mac-pro-display-xdr-6k-retina-hdr-wwdc-2019

$1,000 for the stand??
 

by DChan on Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:30 am
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Scott Fairbairn wrote:
E.J. Peiker wrote:It looks like 6K monitors are here.  Specs look fantastic:
https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/3/18644791/apple-mac-pro-display-xdr-6k-retina-hdr-wwdc-2019

$1,000 for the stand??

It comes with an apple, right?
 

by Scott Fairbairn on Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:55 am
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DChan wrote:
Scott Fairbairn wrote:
E.J. Peiker wrote:It looks like 6K monitors are here.  Specs look fantastic:
https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/3/18644791/apple-mac-pro-display-xdr-6k-retina-hdr-wwdc-2019

$1,000 for the stand??

It comes with an apple, right?


It says the "pro" stand is sold separately for the monitor at $999. It must be a heck of a nice stand.
 

by Brian Stirling on Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:59 pm
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They say that the children of great leaders tend to be a disappointment -- Tim Cook must therefore be the spawn of Jobs!


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by DChan on Wed Jun 05, 2019 1:11 pm
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Scott Fairbairn wrote:
DChan wrote:
Scott Fairbairn wrote:
E.J. Peiker wrote:It looks like 6K monitors are here.  Specs look fantastic:
https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/3/18644791/apple-mac-pro-display-xdr-6k-retina-hdr-wwdc-2019

$1,000 for the stand??

It comes with an apple, right?


It says the "pro" stand is sold separately for the monitor at $999. It must be a heck of a nice stand.

See for yourself:

Apple monitor stand that costs more than an iPhone sparks online uproar
"The Pro Stand has an intricately engineered arm that perfectly counterbalances the display so it feels virtually weightless, allowing users to easily place it into position," the company notes on its website.
 

by E.J. Peiker on Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:50 pm
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And the monitor too is part of the new Apple cheese-grater aesthetic...
 

by Scott Fairbairn on Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:57 am
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I wonder how much a maxed out Mac Pro plus monitor and stand will cost?
 

by E.J. Peiker on Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:06 am
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A totally maxed out Mac Pro with maximum memory, highest physical core count processor and 4TB m.2 storage plus the monitor with stand will likely set you back real close to $50K.  But that is not the configuration I would recommend for still photographers.  For still photography, based on the specs and knowledge of the processors being used, I would recommend the following for the very best performance with still photo programs and all but the most over the top video needs (of course in a price is no object world):
- 16 core 3.2GHz with multiple core turbo-boost to 4.4GHz (The turbo boost speed is the biggest thing after memory/memory speed for still photo).  The 12-core would however give you nearly identical performance but is slightly less future proof.  The worst option is the 8 core largely because it runs memory at a slower speed and secondly because it only runs a single core at 4GHz in turbo mode)
- 96GB of RAM @ 2.933GHz (you can always upgrade to more memory later if needed.  On a budget, get just 32GB and then upgrade from a third party)
- AMD Radeon Pro Vega II (although the base card will perform very well but the Vega is more future proof with 4 times the VRAM).  Absolutely no need for the Afterburner card unless you plan on doing super high rez video - like 8K)
- 2TB SSD - this is configured with 2 - 1TB drive.  Use one of them as your system and program drive along with your catalogue file if using such an app and mirror everything to the second 1TB drive.
- Get fast external storage for your photo files utilizing an actively cooled Thunderbolt 3 housing with whatever capacity you want, then back that up in duplicate, potentially using NAS so that your images are available anywhere in the world as long as you can get onto the Internet.

My guess on the MacPro price for this configuration is somewhere around $12K, if you want the new monitor that increases things to $18K or $19K if you want the non-reflective screen (which I think I would want).  Add to that some fast TB3 storage of say 12TB and you are easily at $21K.
 

by Neilyb on Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:10 am
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by E.J. Peiker on Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:16 pm
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ROFLMAO!
 

by Brian Stirling on Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:35 pm
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There's always going to be rich people that can afford, without blinking, for an Apple product at $50K. Apple counts on these people for a percentage of there business and a high margin percentage at that. But, Apple would be a tiny fraction of its size if it relied on the 1% entirely and they really risk losing the business of the other 99%, OK make that the other 90%, if they continue this cash grab. There are lots of people that sell insanely over-priced components in the audiofool market -- you know the power cable that cost $20K kind of thing, and while the markup and margins for such things is incredible the market of audiofools is very small. Jobs was something of a sociopath but he was good at identifying where things were going and capitalizing on it -- Cook is a greedy exec that's lived off of Jobs vision for nearly a decade, but time is catching up with Cook and Apple. When long term Apple fans that have swallowed the Apple marketing plan for a decade are now stating publicly they are done with Apple I think it could be a bad couple of years for the company that Woz and Jobs built.


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by Primus on Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:36 pm
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Brian Stirling wrote:There's always going to be rich people that can afford, without blinking, for an Apple product at $50K.  Apple counts on these people for a percentage of there business and a high margin percentage at that.  But, Apple would be a tiny fraction of its size if it relied on the 1% entirely and they really risk losing the business of the other 99%, OK make that the other 90%, if they continue this cash grab.  There are lots of people that sell insanely over-priced components in the audiofool market -- you know the power cable that cost $20K kind of thing, and while the markup and margins for such things is incredible the market of audiofools is very small.  Jobs was something of a sociopath but he was good at identifying where things were going and capitalizing on it -- Cook is a greedy exec that's lived off of Jobs vision for nearly a decade, but time is catching up with Cook and Apple.  When long term Apple fans that have swallowed the Apple marketing plan for a decade are now stating publicly they are done with Apple I think it could be a bad couple of years for the company that Woz and Jobs built.


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Correct. Just like there are always going to be rich people who will pay $300K for a Ferrari. The little shopping plaza where my bank is located has a fancy Deli and a hair salon. There is always a line of high end Beemers and Mercs, I doubt any of these are under $75K. 

People will always want to buy stuff that costs way more than it should - Louis Vuitton anyone? And if you add some diamonds on to it, you can charge pretty much anything - several million in fact - for a handbag!

In our own favorite pastime, a camera can cost $50K and there are plenty of people who will pay for it and justify it to themselves and their friends. 

I think the Mac Pro will appeal to many people despite its price. For those who would use it for high-end video editing, cost is simply not an issue. For the rest of us in still photography, it is, IMHO a worthwhile upgrade depending upon one's needs. If you can spend $12K on a supertele lens, a computer that helps process all those images in a better and faster way may be a reasonable option.

In the final calculation, everything depends upon your budget for these things. Sure, a Windows machine with less power (or even the same specs) would cost quite a bit less. Just like the Tamron 600mm lens would cost less than the Canon or Nikon. Granted the former does not perform quite as well as the big names, but for many people it is enough. 

I agree Apple seems to be losing direction at times, but people are still buying its products. In the past 10 yrs, the market cap of Apple has grown more than ten-fold. Not many fortune 50 companies can claim that. Personally I have no idea whether Tim Cook is living off Jobs' vision, but clearly the company is doing well under him.

Check out this YT video, Apple does not even figure until the end of 2009 and then stays climbs to the top in just over a year and pretty much at the top ever since. Although it is a bit dated, still a fascinating view of the world markets in the past 11 yrs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fobx4wIS6W0

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by E.J. Peiker on Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:31 pm
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They just opened an IWC store, a Breitling store, and a Hublot store all right next too each other in one of our local malls - nuff said ;)
 

by Jim Zipp on Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:38 am
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E.J. Peiker wrote:They just opened an IWC store, a Breitling store, and a Hublot store all right next too each other in one of our local malls - nuff said ;)
What does it say about me that I didn't know what any of those were and had to google them? :)
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by SantaFeJoe on Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:13 am
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Interesting take on the MacPro:

https://fstoppers.com/video-editing/mac ... -it-379610

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by Mike in O on Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:45 pm
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Can any software use all those cores in the cpu?
 

by E.J. Peiker on Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:00 pm
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Mike in O wrote:Can any software use all those cores in the cpu?
Yes, lots can.  Even the latest incarnations of Adobe software makes use of multiple core (although inefficiently).   Even if S/W can't it allows you to run multiple programs on different cores improving the performance of all of them when multitasking.
 

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