Capture One 12 is here

A number of new features.  Probably the biggest one is Luminosity Masking prior to RAW conversion.  Other notable ones include more advanced gradient masking including radial masking, Fujifilm simulations for Fuji camera owners, and a lot of other things here and there especially in the interface.  It also now can accept plug-ins if the plug-in supports C1P.  Use the code AMBFR to save 10% on either a new purchase or upgrade from previous versions.

More here:
https://co12.phaseone.com/snyku9n2i5zon ... hxwkuy7k3x

Here's a video on C1P v. 12
https://www.phaseone.com/en/Capture-One.aspx

Thank you, luminosity masking prior to RAW conversion is a very welcomed feature. However, they charge € 159.- for the upgrade from  C1P v11 which is pretty steep, IMO. I purchased all their upgrades in the past  and the upgrade from v10 to v11  was € 119.- just by November 2017. So  I'm hesitant  for the moment and think of staying with v11 for now and apply luminosity masks post Raw conversion as  I've been doing it up to now. Hope they won't go the Adobe route for milking the customers. Just my 2 Cents

Wolfgang

A short article on it here:

https://fstoppers.com/capture-one/captu ... ore-312298

Joe

Much more detail here:
https://captureintegration.com/capture-one-12-released/

With this major price increase, it goes from a no brainer to wait and see (probably not buy).

WJaekel wrote:Thank you, luminosity masking prior to RAW conversion is a very welcomed feature. However, they charge € 159.- for the upgrade from  C1P v11 which is pretty steep, IMO. I purchased all their upgrades in the past  and the upgrade from v10 to v11  was € 119.- just by November 2017. So  I'm hesitant  for the moment and think of staying with v11 for now and apply luminosity masks post Raw conversion as  I've been doing it up to now. Hope they won't go the Adobe route for milking the customers. Just my 2 Cents

Wolfgang

If they don't like them to milk you annually, you can go that subscription route, too. I think that's what they said that if you couldn't afford to pay that one lump sum every year, you could pay them monthly

More articles:

https://petapixel.com/2018/11/29/captur ... -and-more/

https://www.dpreview.com/news/9053743500/phase-one-releases-capture-one-12-with-new-interface-third-party-plug-in-support

Joe

Phase One has posted a detailed blog on C1P v./ 12 including tutorial videos on the major new features. Also they have webinars scheduled:
https://blog.phaseone.com/new-features- ... re-one-12/

$109 for the Sony version upgrade. That's $59 more than the original Sony version cost, and $39 more than the last Sony version upgrade.

The luminosity masks are tempting, but it can be done in other applications too, so I thinks I'll pass.

DChan wrote:

WJaekel wrote:Thank you, luminosity masking prior to RAW conversion is a very welcomed feature. However, they charge € 159.- for the upgrade from  C1P v11 which is pretty steep, IMO. I purchased all their upgrades in the past  and the upgrade from v10 to v11  was € 119.- just by November 2017. So  I'm hesitant  for the moment and think of staying with v11 for now and apply luminosity masks post Raw conversion as  I've been doing it up to now. Hope they won't go the Adobe route for milking the customers. Just my 2 Cents

Wolfgang

If they don't like them to milk you annually, you can go that subscription route, too. I think that's what they said that if you couldn't afford to pay that one lump sum every year, you could pay them monthly

IMO, it's not primarily the question if you can afford the annual upgrade but it comes down to the point if a price increase of almost 34% over the last upgrade still is a fair and balanced offer rather than an indication that they copy Adobe's attitude of a business model that doesn''t care for the long time customers by trying to turn them into cash cows. PhaseOne went from € 69.- to € 99.-to € 119.- and now € 159.- in their more recent upgrade circles and the next step probably will cost around € 200.-  Funny enough, the annual price now almosts equals Adobe's CC PS & LR subscription model and will probably surpass it with the next circle. C1 still lacks a history tab, the possibility to use Color Checker profiles, better brush implementations, geotagging and other features of the competitors. And who knows how long PhaseOne will stick with the perpetual licence offer in the future or completely move to the cloud based subscription model, too. Up to now I was confident in their offerings. But the present trend makes me doubt. Of course, it's a personal decision and nobody is forced to upgrade yet if you can accept being locked out from the new luminosity features. But at the latest your next camera which isn't supported anymore will put you in front of the alternative of paying an increasing premium price for the upgrades or to look elsewhere. Being a loyal C1 user since version 1, that isn't my understanding of a fair customer relationship. C1 is an excellent Raw converter and I'm prepared to honor the work of the programmers by paying a good price for high quality as I did for almost 2 decades, - the more as PhaseOne is a small company that doesn't sell many millions of licences. That said, the even higher price for EU customers maybe is a Cyberweek gift from the Danish company, though  .There's a lot of critics all over the web as to the price increase. It's unfortunate that the prices are spoiling the party.
So I'm not yet decided to follow their route furthermore or to take a closer look to DxO and other options. Anyway, if I stay with C1pro for now or pay the price for v12, there's a pale taste remaining because Phaseone seems departing from reality. I know that my comment won't change anything, though - so just my 2 cents.

Wolfgang

WJaekel wrote: IMO, it's not primarily the question if you can afford the annual upgrade but it comes down to the point if a price increase of almost 34% over the last upgrade still is a fair and balanced offer rather than an indication that they copy Adobe's attitude of a business model that doesn''t care for the long time customers by trying to turn them into cash cows. PhaseOne went from € 69.- to € 99.-to € 119.- and now € 159.- in their more recent upgrade circles and the next step probably will cost around € 200.-  Funny enough, the annual price now almosts equals Adobe's CC PS & LR subscription model and will probably surpass it with the next circle. ..

Here in N America DxO PhotoLab 2 is USD199, upgrading from previous version was USD70 (discounted price). If I choose to upgrade to Capture One Pro 2 it'll be USD149 (for my previous upgrade I paid USD107). Subscribing to Adobe is USD9.99 per month. Price-wise Capture One Pro is the highest. Does it make your photographs look better? I'm not sure about that. Perhaps the least Capture One could do is to offer a time-limited discount price for upgrading, like DxO does.

Still, at $299 for the perpetual license, it costs far less than the stand alone perpetual version of PS sold for(about $699).

Joe

SantaFeJoe wrote:Still, at $299 for the perpetual license, it costs far less than the stand alone perpetual version of PS sold for(about $699).

Joe

But that PS is no longer available, is it?

I went back and checked...back in 2012 I paid USD 189.45 for my Photoshop CS6 Windows version.

The current DxO PhotoLab 2 Elite is selling for USD 199, which is the same I paid for my DxO Optic Pro Elite in 2013!! darn, they ripped me off in 2013

DChan wrote:
I went back and checked...back in 2012 I paid USD 189.45 for my Photoshop CS6 Windows version.

Was it a student/educator version? They were always less costly. This is where I got the price from:

https://www.cnet.com/news/adobes-new-pricing-plan-ouch-users-say/

Even an upgrade was $199 at that time(2011).

Joe

SantaFeJoe wrote:

DChan wrote:
I went back and checked...back in 2012 I paid USD 189.45 for my Photoshop CS6 Windows version.

Was it a student/educator version? They were always less costly. This is where I got the price from:

https://www.cnet.com/news/adobes-new-pricing-plan-ouch-users-say/

Even an upgrade was $199 at that time(2011).

Joe

Hmmm...you could be right, Joe. Not the student version but I likely was only paying for the upgrade to CS6 since I paid a total of USD 334.88 for the CS5 in 2011. Whichever the first version of Photoshop I got it was with a big discount that they gave to people to get them to switch from Photoshop Element back then.

Incidentally, Capture One Pro 9 was USD 269 in 2016.

At least they are not inflating price above what they charge in USA Price seems to be the $US price plus GST, unlike Adobe which charges a premium in Australia.

I'm now on C1Pro 11.1 I went and had a look to see if there was a later version of 11 I could update to but could only find the C1-12 upgrade. Is there a later version than C1-11.1 I could update to and can I still access it?

OK wait I've found it:

https://www.phaseone.com/en/Capture-One ... lease.aspx

latest service release is 11.3, but if I try to download it tries to download C1-12

so you have to go here to find older versions:

https://www.phaseone.com/en/Capture-One ... veWin.aspx

11.3 is the latest. There are a number of new cameras and lenses from your version as well as much better Fujifilm support and a few feature tweeks compared to 11.1.

Yep that's what I find I've downloaded it now.