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The cameras in smartphones are moving ahead so fast in their capabilities that I really believe that P&S cameras won’t be around much longer. Sony now has eye AF and others are taking multiple images of a scene so that bokeh can be selected after the capture of an image in PP. HDR is amazing and four to ten second exposures can be taken combining many images to be blur free. Here are some examples:

https://www.dpreview.com/news/4777474170/hmd-global-unveils-nokia-9-pureview-with-penta-camera-setup

https://www.dpreview.com/news/7380751761/the-xperia-x1-is-sony-s-first-triple-cam-phone-and-comes-with-a-21-9-display

https://www.dpreview.com/news/4970337815/lg-launches-triple-camera-models-v50-thinq-5g-and-g8-thinq

Samsung s10 Models

https://www.dpreview.com/news/5996184231/samsung-galaxy-fold-comes-with-foldable-display-and-six-cameras

DSLR and mirrorless will probably always be around, but I can’t imagine low to mid-range P&S cameras surviving much longer.

Joe

Hi,

It will be interesting to see what happens to camera manufacturers when the P&S camera goes away. Can they really stay in business just selling DSLRs and mirrorless?

Check this out:
https://www.diyphotography.net/camera-s ... irrorless/
https://petapixel.com/2018/03/14/death-dslrs-near/
https://www.digitaltrends.com/photograp ... less-wins/

The next decade will be interesting.

Have Fun,
Jeff

Is that what Tony was saying that more focus should be on computational photography now?

I think the entry level dslr / mirrorless will be dead.

If it's so easy to blur the background of the photo on my phone, why is it so difficult to do it in Photoshop?

SantaFeJoe wrote:The cameras in smartphones are moving ahead so fast in their capabilities that I really believe that P&S cameras won’t be around much longer. Sony now has eye AF and others are taking multiple images of a scene so that bokeh can be selected after the capture of an image in PP. HDR is amazing and four to ten second exposures can be taken combining many images to be blur free. Here are some examples:

https://www.dpreview.com/news/4777474170/hmd-global-unveils-nokia-9-pureview-with-penta-camera-setup

https://www.dpreview.com/news/7380751761/the-xperia-x1-is-sony-s-first-triple-cam-phone-and-comes-with-a-21-9-display

https://www.dpreview.com/news/4970337815/lg-launches-triple-camera-models-v50-thinq-5g-and-g8-thinq

Samsung s10 Models

https://www.dpreview.com/news/5996184231/samsung-galaxy-fold-comes-with-foldable-display-and-six-cameras

DSLR and mirrorless will probably always be around, but I can’t imagine low to mid-range P&S cameras surviving much longer.

Joe

The midrange P&S should've been dead by now already and I would be really surprised if they are around in 2 years or so. Computational photography (light.co kinds) is already making inroads into smartphone and once this gets to a point where the results are consistent and good in challenging lighting conditions (they're actually quite good already), then we're pretty much done.

Just my 2c.

DChan wrote:Is that what Tony was saying that more focus should be on computational photography now?

I think the entry level dslr / mirrorless will be dead.

If it's so easy to blur the background of the photo on my phone, why is it so difficult to do it in Photoshop?

I also think that the entry level DSLR / mirrorless will be dead, except for the enthusiasts. This might make them more expensive and shake out the market because the cost of development is likely the same or even more, but the number of units to amortize over is shrinking. For computational photography, the opposite is likely true - the number of units to amortize over is already very high and likely growing.

For the BG question, my take is that the reason is because the average user of a phone camera is not a pixel peeper so "quality" of the BG blur is acceptable, especially around the edges. Not so with the photoshop user. That said, AI is coming to Photoshop. It's not if, its just when.

And another app with pretty interesting capabilities that you won’t find in a P&S or DSLR for that matter:

https://fstoppers.com/apps/focos-adds-i ... one-347999

Joe

An article showing how computational photography is changing in small sensors on phones:

https://www.dpreview.com/articles/79210 ... hotography

Joe

This episode of Jimmy Fallons’ Tonight Show, which I believe is airing tonight, was shot entirely on a Samsung Galaxy s10+:

https://petapixel.com/2019/03/25/tonigh ... alaxy-s10/

https://www.dpreview.com/news/4995156453/nbc-s-tonight-show-filmed-its-latest-episode-entirely-on-the-galaxy-s10-smartphone

Joe

And the quality and innovation just keep on coming:

https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/revi ... era-review

https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/news/huawei-p30-pro-arrives-with-four-cameras-tof-sensor-and-a-whole-lot-of-zoom

https://petapixel.com/2019/03/26/huawei-p30-pro-is-an-iso-409600-low-light-monster/

https://www.photographyblog.com/reviews/huawei_p30_pro_review/preview_images

This is impressive:

https://www.dxomark.com/huawei-p30-pro-camera-review/

Joe

A new review of the camera on the p30 pro:

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/huawei ... phone-zoom

Quite an improvement over the p20 which had a really good camera.

Joe

And now we know part of the reason Huawei cameras perform so well:

https://petapixel.com/2019/04/15/the-hu ... e-by-sony/

Also sounds like Sony may be getting back into the smartphone competition soon.

Joe

New off phone flash for phones:

https://petapixel.com/2019/04/16/lit-is ... ographers/

Joe

Now a new sensor from Samsung:

https://www.dpreview.com/news/816961935 ... martphones

https://petapixel.com/2019/05/09/samsung-unveils-the-worlds-first-64-megapixel-smartphone-sensor/

Joe