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by SantaFeJoe on Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:54 am
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The cameras in smartphones are moving ahead so fast in their capabilities that I really believe that P&S cameras won’t be around much longer. Sony now has eye AF and others are taking multiple images of a scene so that bokeh can be selected after the capture of an image in PP. HDR is amazing and four to ten second exposures can be taken combining many images to be blur free. Here are some examples:

https://www.dpreview.com/news/4777474170/hmd-global-unveils-nokia-9-pureview-with-penta-camera-setup

https://www.dpreview.com/news/7380751761/the-xperia-x1-is-sony-s-first-triple-cam-phone-and-comes-with-a-21-9-display

https://www.dpreview.com/news/4970337815/lg-launches-triple-camera-models-v50-thinq-5g-and-g8-thinq

Samsung s10 Models

https://www.dpreview.com/news/5996184231/samsung-galaxy-fold-comes-with-foldable-display-and-six-cameras

DSLR and mirrorless will probably always be around, but I can’t imagine low to mid-range P&S cameras surviving much longer.

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by Jeff Colburn on Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:33 pm
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Hi,

It will be interesting to see what happens to camera manufacturers when the P&S camera goes away. Can they really stay in business just selling DSLRs and mirrorless?

Check this out:
https://www.diyphotography.net/camera-sales-report-2016-lowest-sales-ever-dslrs-mirrorless/
https://petapixel.com/2018/03/14/death-dslrs-near/
https://www.digitaltrends.com/photography/how-to-save-dslr-after-mirrorless-wins/

The next decade will be interesting.

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by DChan on Tue Feb 26, 2019 5:41 pm
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Is that what Tony was saying that more focus should be on computational photography now?

I think the entry level dslr / mirrorless will be dead.

If it's so easy to blur the background of the photo on my phone, why is it so difficult to do it in Photoshop?
 

by Vivek on Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:23 am
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SantaFeJoe wrote:
The cameras in smartphones are moving ahead so fast in their capabilities that I really believe that P&S cameras won’t be around much longer. Sony now has eye AF and others are taking multiple images of a scene so that bokeh can be selected after the capture of an image in PP. HDR is amazing and four to ten second exposures can be taken combining many images to be blur free. Here are some examples:

https://www.dpreview.com/news/4777474170/hmd-global-unveils-nokia-9-pureview-with-penta-camera-setup

https://www.dpreview.com/news/7380751761/the-xperia-x1-is-sony-s-first-triple-cam-phone-and-comes-with-a-21-9-display

https://www.dpreview.com/news/4970337815/lg-launches-triple-camera-models-v50-thinq-5g-and-g8-thinq

Samsung s10 Models

https://www.dpreview.com/news/5996184231/samsung-galaxy-fold-comes-with-foldable-display-and-six-cameras

DSLR and mirrorless will probably always be around, but I can’t imagine low to mid-range P&S cameras surviving much longer.

Joe


The midrange P&S should've been dead by now already and I would be really surprised if they are around in 2 years or so. Computational photography (light.co kinds) is already making inroads into smartphone and once this gets to a point where the results are consistent and good in challenging lighting conditions (they're actually quite good already), then we're pretty much done.

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by Vivek on Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:27 am
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DChan wrote:
Is that what Tony was saying that more focus should be on computational photography now?

I think the entry level dslr / mirrorless will be dead.

If it's so easy to blur the background of the photo on my phone, why is it so difficult to do it in Photoshop?


I also think that the entry level DSLR / mirrorless will be dead, except for the enthusiasts. This might make them more expensive and shake out the market because the cost of development is likely the same or even more, but the number of units to amortize over is shrinking. For computational photography, the opposite is likely true - the number of units to amortize over is already very high and likely growing.

For the BG question, my take is that the reason is because the average user of a phone camera is not a pixel peeper so "quality" of the BG blur is acceptable, especially around the edges. Not so with the photoshop user. That said, AI is coming to Photoshop. It's not if, its just when.
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by SantaFeJoe on Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:57 pm
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And another app with pretty interesting capabilities that you won’t find in a P&S or DSLR for that matter:

https://fstoppers.com/apps/focos-adds-impressive-computational-photography-your-iphone-347999

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by SantaFeJoe on Sun Mar 24, 2019 9:44 am
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An article showing how computational photography is changing in small sensors on phones:

https://www.dpreview.com/articles/7921074499/five-ways-google-pixel-3-pushes-the-boundaries-of-computational-photography

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by archfotos on Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:04 am
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it would be nice if the capabilities of the phone improved in the smartphone.  Why can't my phone tell me that when using speaker mode it's transmitting a bunch of garble on the other end?  Why can't my phone clean up some of that noise/garble when someone doesn't have a good connection?  Why is it time and time again my phone doesn't ring but then someone leaves me a voice message?(no it's not in the silent mode) 

I've tried to use my phone as a camera but something just doesn't translate in my brain oh that and trying to look at a glossy screen outside while rotating my neck to weird angles doesn't help.

sometimes I wonder if these companies are just pumping specs to raise the price but not help the user
 

by SantaFeJoe on Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:04 pm
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This episode of Jimmy Fallons’ Tonight Show, which I believe is airing tonight, was shot entirely on a Samsung Galaxy s10+:

https://petapixel.com/2019/03/25/tonight-show-shot-an-entire-episode-on-the-samsung-galaxy-s10/

https://www.dpreview.com/news/4995156453/nbc-s-tonight-show-filmed-its-latest-episode-entirely-on-the-galaxy-s10-smartphone

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by SantaFeJoe on Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:08 am
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And the quality and innovation just keep on coming:

https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/reviews/hands-on-huawei-p30-pro-camera-review

https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/news/huawei-p30-pro-arrives-with-four-cameras-tof-sensor-and-a-whole-lot-of-zoom

https://petapixel.com/2019/03/26/huawei-p30-pro-is-an-iso-409600-low-light-monster/

https://www.photographyblog.com/reviews/huawei_p30_pro_review/preview_images

This is impressive:

https://www.dxomark.com/huawei-p30-pro-camera-review/

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by SantaFeJoe on Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:24 pm
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A new review of the camera on the p30 pro:

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/huawei-p30-pro-the-new-reference-for-smartphone-zoom

Quite an improvement over the p20 which had a really good camera.

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by SantaFeJoe on Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:14 am
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And now we know part of the reason Huawei cameras perform so well:

https://petapixel.com/2019/04/15/the-huawei-p30-pros-game-changing-camera-sensors-were-made-by-sony/

Also sounds like Sony may be getting back into the smartphone competition soon.

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by SantaFeJoe on Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:45 am
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New off phone flash for phones:

https://petapixel.com/2019/04/16/lit-is-an-off-camera-xenon-flash-for-smartphone-photographers/

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by DChan on Mon Apr 22, 2019 8:39 pm
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Huawei P30 Pro Teardown! - How does a 'Periscope Camera' work?
 

by SantaFeJoe on Thu May 09, 2019 2:48 pm
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Now a new sensor from Samsung:

https://www.dpreview.com/news/8169619356/samsung-launches-64mp-image-sensor-for-smartphones

https://petapixel.com/2019/05/09/samsung-unveils-the-worlds-first-64-megapixel-smartphone-sensor/

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