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by Jamie Douglas on Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:16 am
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Hi

I calibrated my monitor on Friday night and then on Sunday after a day and a half of no issue editing I noticed that when I open an image in PS and then in DPP I see too different colour profiles. Everything (as far as I am aware) is set to sRGB so I am baffled as to why it would have just changed.

Any thoughts

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by Neil Fitzgerald on Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:25 am
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They used to look the same in both programs, or you just compared them and noticed they are different?
DPP will apply setting made in camera, such as saturation. When you open in PS, are you opening a derivative of the original file (e.g. tif) or using Adobe Camera Raw to view the raw file? ACR and Lightroom ignore those in camera style settings.
Do you have a calibrated display and DPP Color Matching Settings set to Monitor Profile?

You will be better off editing in a wider colour space (e.g. Abobe RGB or ProPhoto RGB, the former being the only option in DPP), unless you don't do any additinal editing in PS, and only ever output to the web.

by Jamie Douglas on Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:08 pm
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Thanks Neil, they have always looked the same (RAW, TIFF, PSD etc etc files) whether I open them in DPP or PS and now they don't which is a little bit confussing. Colour profile in ACR and PS is Adobe RBG not sRGB like I wrote last night.

I have to go drive to work now so I can try and get more info tonight.

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by Neil Fitzgerald on Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:51 pm
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The DPP screen capture suggests it is working in sRGB.

by Jamie Douglas on Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:26 am
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Thanks for your time Neil, sorry the example above was a saved for web tiff file that I used for an example to show the contrast in colours.

But after spending more time this evening looking into this I am even more confused...

When I open an image in PS I can see two different colour profiles, the image in the main editing window looks different to the Navigator window image (the tab in-between the historgram and adjustment). The main window image has a more of a pale green cast compared to the small image in the navigator window.

I checked in DPP and my workspace and colour matching settings are set to sRGB. I then changed the colour matching settings to "Use the OS settings" and this now makes the image look like it does in PS which is not how it looked before. Has calibrating my monitor caused this?

This is frustrating to resolve as I am struggling to word what I see. I used to work in IT as a system tester and analyst so maybe we apply a trial and elimination process if you have the time? Ask me a few questions so I can check to see if it is anything obvious.

This has me baffled.
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by Jamie Douglas on Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:40 am
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Not sure how clear it is below but in my PS the two images look different. The one in the main screen is very pale with a green cast and the image on the right looks more like I was seeing last week.

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by Neil Fitzgerald on Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:52 am
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I don't use DPP, but this, http://web.canon.jp/imaging/picturestyle/editor/matters02.html suggests you should have Color Matching set to Monitor Profile (since you have a calibrated display), and preferably "Default settings of Work color space" to Adobe RGB. I don't see a "use the OS Settings" option. Maybe that's an option not shown in the screen captures?
I can't see a significant difference in an image and the navigator window in my files. I wonder if that is the result of an uneven display? Try reducing the size of the PS window and move it around the screen and see if it looks different. Or make your desktop a solid color and see if it looks even ( I find this way a bit more difficult because eyes can adjust to differences if you look too long).
This is an interesting, though obviously anoying problem. More than happy to try to work it out.

by Neil Fitzgerald on Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:56 am
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Ha, after seeing you last post (we crossed there) I pulled up a few more images in PS and made the Navigator window as big as possible and I see exactly the same thing as you! I'd say the navigator pane is not colour managed. Strange.

by Neil Fitzgerald on Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:33 am
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Whoops. I hit submit on that before I meant to. On further testing, swapping navigator pane with the image, taking screen captures, bring back into PS and checking colour values... has me concluding all I was seeing is unevenness in my monitor.

by Jamie Douglas on Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:16 pm
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No problem Neil and here are my latest findings. This is a weird one and a little tricky to resolve in between taking care of our new son and going to work.

I think we can rule out the navigator image issue as being a unevenness issue with monitor brightness so we can look beyond that.

Images that I open as RAW files in PS and bridge have a green tint to them but it doesnt appear to be a calibration issue given that my wallpaper images and desktop items all look fine without any green tint. It looks to be an issue with PS and bridge. Something has changed and I can't think what.

I went back into DPP after reading the link you sent (thank you) and under colour match settings I see (should be the latest version) an extra option of using the OS settings which I assume is OS as in Operating System. If I click on this regardless of selected colour space it makes the image the same colour as bridge and photoshop which means hopefully that I just have to fix the colour settings for PS and bridge.

How do I do this?
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by E.J. Peiker on Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:59 am
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I haven't been following this one closely because Neil has been doing a great job giving you advice but the fact that images look fine on your wallpaper and desktop and not in Photoshop indicates a color management or settings issue. Your wallpaper and Windows desk top are not color managed and Photoshop/ Bridge/ LR are. That says that either there is something wrong with the color profile that the color managed apps are using or that you have adjusted the monitor to make desktop items look good at the expense of the color managed apps. I think posting all of the information you can about the profile, how it was generated, what all of yout color related settings in Photoshop and Bridge, etc are set to , etc. As much info as possible,

From a quick read of what's been written here so far, it sure sounds like you have a color management issue.

by Jamie Douglas on Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:24 pm
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Hi E.J

Thanks for joining in and yes Neil has been a great help.

Can you tell the exact info you need E.J and where I can find it? Where do I find the colour mgmnt in Bridge?

PS CS5 is set to Adobe 1998.
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by Jamie Douglas on Sun Jul 22, 2012 1:56 pm
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I managed to resolve this issue but I will have to recalibrate my monitor. The issue seemed to be with the Operating System Colour Management so I reset it to the default settings and hey presto things are looking as they did before all this started.

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