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by Cecil Gray on Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:02 am
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I am looking for Old Town Kayak suggestions from which to photograph. I am 6'5" weigh 210, and have a knee I need to keep slightly flexed. I know Dirigo, Camden, and Vapor models offer an angler version that could work. I am just looking for experienced advice. THANKS.

by Mark Picard on Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:49 am
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Like I told you the other day - Vapor 12XT dummy! :lol:

by Cecil Gray on Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:15 am
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Otaaay!!! I'll try that one but I'm looking into the Camden too. Is that the angler vapor?

by Maxis Gamez on Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:24 am
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I have and use two Necky's seat-in kayaks. One is a 14-1/2 feet for creeks and such and I also have a 18 feet that I use for more open water locations.

I load them both with two bodies, my 800mm, 500mm, 400mm, 70-200, flash and of course tripod but that will depend on the location.

Good luck!
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by Bill Lockhart on Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:49 am
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Hi Cecil,

I bought a Hobie Pro Angler. The big advantage is the mirage drive which allows me to propel the kayak without using a paddle, thus my hands are free.

The biggest issue I am facing is that there is no convenient place to keep my camera. Storage is located far forward and behind the seat, making it difficult to get to gear. Otherwise, the Hobie works really well.

Best regards,

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by Maxis Gamez on Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:07 am
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I keep my lens between my legs when I shoot from the kayak but mostly, I get to a location, hump off and set up the tripod and gear.
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by Randy Mehoves on Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:28 am
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I don't know where you are but here in Florida the Sit-in kayaks can be very hot compared to the Sit-on-Top kayaks. They do have somewhat of an advantage with having more room to store your camera gear when under way though. If you do get a Sit-in be aware that you will need some sort of bailing device/pump as the water is trapped in side.


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by Maxis Gamez on Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:39 am
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Randy Mehoves wrote:
I don't know where you are but here in Florida the Sit-in-Side kayaks can be very hot compared to the Sit-on-Top kayaks. They do have somewhat of an advantage with having more room to store your camera gear when under way though. If you do get a Sit-in-Side be aware that you will need some sort of bailing device/pump as the water is trapped in side.


The only time the inside gets wet is during re-entry. I then use a sponge to bone dry the inside. Quick process and very effective.
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by Mark Picard on Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:59 pm
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Cecil Gray wrote:
Otaaay!!! I'll try that one but I'm looking into the Camden too. Is that the angler vapor?


Yup...

by Cecil Gray on Sat Apr 21, 2012 2:59 pm
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Bought the Vapor 12xt angler. Thanks all.

by jwhaide on Sun Apr 22, 2012 1:05 am
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Check out the Folbot Yukon or Edisto. They have the added advantage of being able to fold them into 2 duffle bags and fly with them. There is also an outrigger kit if you need stand up stability. I love my Yukon. It is very stable and has lots of capacity.
John in Hillsboro Oregon. Use Olympus E-510 and accessories as well as SP-500. Semi-retired. http://jwhaide.smugmug.com

by BobD on Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:09 am
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Randy Mehoves wrote:
I don't know where you are but here in Florida the Sit-in kayaks can be very hot compared to the Sit-on-Top kayaks.


I'm not in Florida but it gets pretty darn hot in the summer in the Carolinas as well. I've never found it to be too hot in my sit-in yak. In cooler weather the sit-in design provides better protection from hypothermic causing elements such as wind and water.

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They do have somewhat of an advantage with having more room to store your camera gear when under way though.


Not only more room but better protection from the elements. Dry-bag = good protection. Dry-bag stowed under the deck/under a cockpit skirt = better protecion.


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If you do get a Sit-in be aware that you will need some sort of bailing device/pump as the water is trapped in side.


This should really be a non-problem 99.9%. You'll get a little bit of water in the boat when boarding, a few drips and splashes here and there, but nothing significant unless a wave breaches boat or if you capsize. Both of those "significant" situations should be very, very rare. The greatest risk of capsize occurs when entering and exiting the boat. All that said there are plenty of little hand-pumps sold for kayaks. Combine a pump with a sponge and you're good to go.

FWIW I'd estimate that at least 50% of my wildlife photography takes place from the cockpit of a kayak. It's not unusual for me to be out 2 to 3 times a week. I paddle 12 months a year on sounds, in estuaries, on black-water creeks/rivers and in swamps.

by BobD on Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:25 am
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Cecil Gray wrote:
Bought the Vapor 12xt angler. Thanks all.



I see you already made your choice and purchased a kayak. Let us know how you like it. Although it's too late to have an effect on your purchase decision of the kayaks listed I would've suggested either the Dirigo or Camden. Sit-ins provide so much more versatility.

by djredman on Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:32 am
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Native Ultimate 12. Picked one up a few weeks ago, tried it yesterday. Very stable, can mount a big lens on your tripod and set it up right in front of you as you sit. Native Kayaks website has videos of it being used for photography, or you can watch Wild Photo Adventures as Doug Gardner uses this kayak in the Everglades.

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by BobD on Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:30 pm
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Native Ultimate 12. Picked one up a few weeks ago, tried it yesterday. Very stable, can mount a big lens on your tripod and set it up right in front of you as you sit. Native Kayaks website has videos of it being used for photography, or you can watch Wild Photo Adventures as Doug Gardner uses this kayak in the Everglades.

Dave Redman


There are several photographers that use Native Watercraft for kayak photography. They are basically a hybrid boat... a cross between a kayak and a canoe. In rough, open water I'd prefer the additional protection afforded by a covered kayak but I'm sure they're great in protected water.

FWIW, last season was actually the 3 season of Wild Photo Adventures. It just happened to be the first year it was broadcast nationally. In past seasons Doug has used a variety of kayaks in the series. I suspect it's more a matter of what the "guest host" or local outfitter has avaiable than his personal preference.

I've never tried the tripod thing myself. In my mind it doesn't seem like a good idea. The following is a paragraph from my ebook An Introduction to Kayak Photography. Keep in mind it is just an opinion:

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From time to time you may see some photographers shooting with a tripod while kayaking. Personally I think it's a bad idea. One reason is that it greatly restricts the number of directions you can shoot. Due to where you're seated you can never shoot straight to the side or behind. It also tends to magnify any movement on the water... and there's always some kind of movement on the water. The other issue is that it puts the camera and lens at greater risk. You've placed a fairly heavy object well above the proper center of gravity for the boat, increasing the risk of a capsize. It's also inconvenient to place the camera in a dry-bag when moving. You have to undo the clamp to take the camera off of the tripod then, when you find a decent subject, slide it back into the mount and tighten the clamp before taking the shot. For me there's too much temptation to take a short-cut and leave the camera mounted while paddling. There's also the risk of slipping or dropping your gear when attaching it to and removing it from the tripod. For me hand-holding makes more sense.

by Randy Mehoves on Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:37 pm
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I agree, I would never use a tripod in a kayak. There is just way too many things that can go wrong, if it happens when on land the rig hits the ground but on water you are much more restricted in your movements and if things go wrong it's in the water.

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